As someone who's a fan of a team with Adam Pelech, you don't want to trade Ryan Graves.

i'd rather go after someone younger like danault or someone with some grit like gallagher.

Calvert and Kadri say hey

they would cost a lot more

Graves is not enough. I don’t value Jost much so he doesn’t add value to the trade in my books.

I agree. In a previous Montreal AGM by Campabee which I did a Colorado AGM for a trade for Tatar was proposed involving 2021 COL 1st + 2021 COL 3rd + Beaucage, and I think that would be much more appealing for Colorado than trading Graves. That said, I thought it would be interesting to gauge interest and value here.

well it's already an overpayment for tatar so i don't mind adding something to it if it meant gallagher or danault

MTL doesn't need Graves, or any other non-top pairing LHD. Furthermore, they need quality, not quantity. Trading Tatar for 2 lesser talents doesn't help.

Over the past 2 seasons, he has a 0.8 ppg -- 58 in 80 and then 61 in 68 this season. How is a one-year defenseman and an underachieving 3rd liner an overpayment? You're overvaluing Colorado's players. And the contract offer is low.

Montreal are going to find it impossible to acquire a top pairing LHD via trade. Even young top 4 D's are difficult to acquire. Graves is probably as close as Montreal can get to a young top pair LHD.

Then Montreal doesn't make the trade. They shouldn't settle on a player that doesn't upgrade the roster.

sounds more like you undervaluing graves and jost.

Meh I like Beaucage 1st and a 3rd a lot more.

If Graves puts up a similar season next year, then he will have much more trade value than he does now. He definitely played well this year, but teams aren't going to give up a player like Tatar for him.

Jost has been in the NHL consistently for the past 3 years now. His ice time has decreased in all 3 seasons, he doesn't have great underlying numbers, and he doesn't put up many points. He was also drafted as a center and is awful in the faceoff circle -- so he's a winger at this point. He also doesn't play the penalty kill. He does get around 2 minutes of PP time per game over the past 3 seasons, but he still doesn't produce. The only thing going for him right now is his age - 22. He's still young and he could turn it around, but I don't see any team giving up a lot to get him. He would be a great buy-low candidate, but would the Avs even want to give him up for a low-ball offer -- probably not. So I don't see him being traded anyway.

Tatar was previously traded for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, to VGK from DET -- which was an overpay at the time, but he has since put up his best offensive numbers to date. The trade proposed by OP is weaker than a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Jost + Graves for Tatar just isn't fair value in my opinion.

I agree that Graves will probably have more value next year, which is why I think it would be better for Colorado to hold onto him at least one more year. That also allows Byram the opportunity to settle before we push him into the top 4.

Jost has shown improvement in CF% and FF% this season, as well as flashes of offense when given the opportunity (eg. 7 points in his last 9 games prior to the lockdowns). He's also at an age where many top 6 forwards enter the league, yet he already has 3 seasons under his belt. At the very least a team would get a solid defensive 3rd liner, and at a cheap caphit that has some good value. He was also eased onto the PK late in the season and did well in the role. The only reason why he doesn't get more PK time is because Colorado have an embarrassment of good defensive forwards who are more experienced than Jost in that role, but there's no reason why Jost can't be an effective PKer. In fact I'd be surprised if he doesn't become a regular PKer at some stage given how reliable he is with the puck and on the forecheck (as evidenced by his 71:31 takaway to giveaway ratio).

As for Tatar, just because Vegas overpaid massively for him doesn't mean that that was his value at the time. Nor does it mean that a similar package this time around would be an underpayment. A 1st + 2nd + 3rd would be good value for a player like him. Also bear in mind that on most contenders he wouldn't be a 1st line winger or get PP1 time (certainly not on the Avs), nor was he a 1st line winger prior to his 2 seasons with Montreal, so that has to be taken into consideration when considering his offensive output.

graves is playing top pair with makar, so im not sure how that doesnt make graves top pair? maybe he isnt a top 32 dman but no chance a team sells a top pairing dman for anything less than the moon. This is supreme overpayment when you consider cost/age/chemistry etc. I like tatar but you dont pay for the ufa rights without a contract in place and as a ufa tatar would be better suited to get more $$ in FA. or he can dictate where he goes etc. Maybe he doesnt want to play with kadri? maybe he doesnt want to play in colorado? who knows.

I agree with basically everything you're saying. I think the trade is ultimately a year too early -- if Jost and Graves improve next season, it would make more sense that MTL would consider a deal like this then maybe (disregard Tatar's contract).

One thing I just realized when looking at Tatar's stats -- he's a 20+ goal scorer in each of the past 6 seasons. Pretty impressive stuff for a guy that doesn't get talked about much.

MTL rejects.

Why?

Because it doesn't upgrade the Montreal roster at all.