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Best 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th line in the NHL

Created by: fckmattcooke
Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 20, 2020
Published: Jul. 20, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$5,000,000
1$800,000
1$800,000
1$900,000
1$1,250,000
1$1,450,000
3$2,750,000
2$900,000
2$950,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$7,250,000
Trades
1.
COL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (FLA)
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (COL)
FLA
  1. Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]
2.
COL
  1. 2020 4th round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Kamenev, Vladislav [RFA Rights]
3.
NYI
  1. Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard ($900,000 retained)
  2. 2020 4th round pick (COL)
4.
COL
  1. Anderson, Joey [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 1st round pick (ARI)
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (NJD)
5.
COL
  1. Pilut, Lawrence [RFA Rights]
BUF
  1. Greer, AJ
  2. 2020 4th round pick (MIN)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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Logo of the FLA
Logo of the COL
2021
Logo of the COL
Logo of the COL
Logo of the COL
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the COL
Logo of the COL
Logo of the COL
2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$76,743,095$0$5,425,000$4,756,905
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$7,250,000$7,250,000
LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 5
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$5,571,429$5,571,429
LW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$1,450,000$1,450,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$1,250,000$1,250,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,900,000$3,900,000
RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$2,850,000$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$3,350,000$3,350,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RW
RFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 7
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,333,333$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
$950,000$950,000
LD
UFA
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
LD/RD
RFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,450,000$3,450,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$900,000$900,000
RW
RFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2

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Jul. 20, 2020 at 10:47 p.m.
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Guentzel-Geno-Rust>Landeskog-Kadri-Bura
Jul. 20, 2020 at 10:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Dan10900
Guentzel-Geno-Rust>Landeskog-Kadri-Bura


Isn't Guentzel w/ Sid?
Jul. 20, 2020 at 11:04 p.m.
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WTH?!? I've been trying to submit trades for Zadorov for months that you Avs fans won't get all defensive and overprotective about and you give him away fro a 2 and 3 rd? Any team would take that.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 11:04 p.m.
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Isn't Guentzel w/ Sid?


Sometimes, but when Sid was hurt they put that line together and it was fantastic (then Guentzel got hurt) and they traded for Zucker to likely play with Sid
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Jul. 20, 2020 at 11:12 p.m.
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Nuge leon Yam When they are put back together might be best line in hockey if not certainly best second line.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 11:12 p.m.
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Quoting: fckmattcooke
Isn't Guentzel w/ Sid?


Depends on whether they want to keep Zucker with Sid or not.

Guentzel has shown he has unreal chemistry with both Sid and Geno.

Zucker hasn't played with Geno at all to date. Despite the time off it makes more sense to wait until next years training camp before moving him around and trying him with Geno. At least by that point he'll be more comfortable with the team. Instead of having played only less than 20 games with them.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 11:22 p.m.
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Cizikas is our second most important forward behind Barzal. He is not going anywhere. Certainly not for that price
Jul. 20, 2020 at 11:29 p.m.
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Cizikas is our second most important forward behind Barzal. He is not going anywhere. Certainly not for that price


Lol what?
Jul. 21, 2020 at 12:11 a.m.
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Devils decline
Jul. 21, 2020 at 12:25 a.m.
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Quoting: ithinkimrational
WTH?!? I've been trying to submit trades for Zadorov for months that you Avs fans won't get all defensive and overprotective about and you give him away fro a 2 and 3 rd? Any team would take that.


Is he really worth that much? He's like a 7th D in Colorado.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 12:25 a.m.
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Lol what?


He is an expert PKer, a strong faceoff taker, and heart of this team. Nobody gives more effort. Nobody backchecks harder. Look at how differently the Islanders played when he got hurt for an extended period of time. The guy directly and indirectly drives the lineup. So yeah. He's pretty f'n important.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 12:33 a.m.
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Is he really worth that much? He's like a 7th D in Colorado.


Oh yea I think so. He's a hard hitter and sound defensively. Let's put it this way, Leafs, Sens and Habs would have him as #4 dman I think. He's only 7 dman in Col cause theyre friggin stacked on D
Jul. 21, 2020 at 12:40 a.m.
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Quoting: ithinkimrational
Oh yea I think so. He's a hard hitter and sound defensively. Let's put it this way, Leafs, Sens and Habs would have him as #4 dman I think. He's only 7 dman in Col cause theyre friggin stacked on D


I don't think the Leafs would have him over Muzzin. Plus his QO is quite high.

Ottawa would probably have him as the 4D but their D isnt very strong. I'm not sure they'd give that much for him considering they need the roster spots for their younger guys and need their picks.

Not sure about Montreal. I think they would be able to get him for their 2nd round pick. Avs need to move him.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 1:33 a.m.
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I don't think the Leafs would have him over Muzzin. Plus his QO is quite high.

Ottawa would probably have him as the 4D but their D isnt very strong. I'm not sure they'd give that much for him considering they need the roster spots for their younger guys and need their picks.

Not sure about Montreal. I think they would be able to get him for their 2nd round pick. Avs need to move him.


Maybe not, but Muzzin is older and I think Zadorov can be signed for less than Muzzin's next cap hit. So that's my reasoning.
I'm sorry to say I don't think much of Ott is very strong for the time being.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 7:57 a.m.
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Quoting: ithinkimrational
WTH?!? I've been trying to submit trades for Zadorov for months that you Avs fans won't get all defensive and overprotective about and you give him away fro a 2 and 3 rd? Any team would take that.


This seems really odd. Avs fans are pretty well agreed that a 2nd + 3rd would be fair value for Zadorov, and offer that trade in numerous AGM's on this site. If you offer that more often than not Avs fans will accept it. It's when the offer starts to become 2nd + 4th or when picks drift into 2021 and 2022 that we typically start to decline.

Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Is he really worth that much? He's like a 7th D in Colorado.


In terms of ice-time he's clearly the #5-6 D (basically tied with Cole). In the past he's also been used in bigger roles in the top 4 regularly too.

Quoting: ithinkimrational
Oh yea I think so. He's a hard hitter and sound defensively. Let's put it this way, Leafs, Sens and Habs would have him as #4 dman I think. He's only 7 dman in Col cause theyre friggin stacked on D


The thing with Zadorov that makes him so polarising is that he's amazing at defending in transition 1v1 - like on the level of regularly shutting down McDavid, Pasta, Patrick Kane etc in 1v1 assignments.... but then on the flip side he's pretty bad at following play on the cycle in his own zone. So basically, how a team values him depends entirely on how your coach intends to use him. If he's deployed in 1v1 roles against transition teams he'll look dominant and even throw in some monster hits at the blueline, but if the idea is to simply have him defend on the cycle he's not more than a 3rd pairing guy.

As you said it's also very likely that Zadorov would be higher than a 3rd pairing guy on many teams, but ideally he would be paired with more of an offensive guy who's more switched on in his own zone.

For the record Colorado fans would absolutely love to keep Zadorov as he's a fan favourite and we love his hits and character, but the simple fact is that it's a numbers game and with Byram joining soon it simply makes Zadorov the odd man out.

Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
I don't think the Leafs would have him over Muzzin. Plus his QO is quite high.

Ottawa would probably have him as the 4D but their D isnt very strong. I'm not sure they'd give that much for him considering they need the roster spots for their younger guys and need their picks.

Not sure about Montreal. I think they would be able to get him for their 2nd round pick. Avs need to move him.


Colorado doesn't really "need" to move him. Even with Byram joining we're not going to be 'forced' to trade Zadorov given that we have enough capspace to resign him and keep him around and just roll with 7D.

You're also unlikely to get him for cheap because there will be plenty of interest in him, simply due to the fact that 6'5'' Dmen that can skate and hit as well as Zadorov are extremely difficult to come across.

Quoting: ithinkimrational
Maybe not, but Muzzin is older and I think Zadorov can be signed for less than Muzzin's next cap hit. So that's my reasoning.
I'm sorry to say I don't think much of Ott is very strong for the time being.

Zadorov still has 2 more years of team control (since his first season with Colorado was under 40 games so he's only accrued 5 NHL seasons at 25 years old), meaning that he can be re-upped for 1 year by Colorado without walking him straight to UFA. That gives Colorado or a team acquiring him some more leverage in negotiations, which should keep his contract fairly reasonable. His QO is $3.2m and I don't foresee him getting considerably more than that on his next contract; maybe something in the region of $3.5-3.75m in line with Butcher or Myers.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 8:40 a.m.
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Whatever line you deem the “2nd” in STL Schwartz-Schenn-Tarasenko or Sanford-O’Reilly-Perron probably has you beat and that’s just in the division. That first line however, is terrifying.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 10:50 a.m.
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Can't imagine Cizikas is moved for that. Best faceoff guy, big energy, on the PK and a fan favorite. C is a position isles don't want to give up. I could possibly see him moved but the probability would be low imo. fun thoughts though. I bet Colorado would love him
 
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