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Risto trade part 1 your thoughts

Created by: oiler
Published: Jul. 20, 2020 at 10:57 p.m.
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Season Days: 1/186 (1%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has been rejected because the upper limit has been exceeded by one of the trade parties

Logo of the Buffalo SabresBuffalo Sabres

Trade occurred while using LTIR
LTIR Relief: $6,675,000
LTIR Used Prior to Trade: -$3,875,357
OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Ristolainen, RasmusBuffalo SabresNHL-$5,400,000111---6962733--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Puljujärvi, JesseEdmonton OilersNHL-$0111---0000--
2020 3rd round pick (Logo of the Edmonton OilersEDM)---010------
2021 4th round pick (Logo of the Edmonton OilersEDM)---001------
2022 2nd round pick (Logo of the Edmonton OilersEDM)---010------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$10,550,3572245613410
Change$5,400,000000021
Final$15,950,357 (↑)22456136 (↑)11 (↑)-6-270

Logo of the Edmonton OilersEdmonton Oilers

Trade occurred while using LTIR
LTIR Relief: $925,000
LTIR Used Prior to Trade: $442,500
OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Puljujärvi, JesseEdmonton OilersNHL-$0111---0000--
2020 3rd round pick (Logo of the Edmonton OilersEDM)---010------
2021 4th round pick (Logo of the Edmonton OilersEDM)---001------
2022 2nd round pick (Logo of the Edmonton OilersEDM)---010------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Ristolainen, RasmusBuffalo SabresNHL-$5,400,000111---6962733--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$482,5002549653411
Change-$5,400,0000000-2-1
Final-$4,917,500 (↓)25496532 (↓)10 (↓)62733
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Jul. 20, 2020 at 11:00 p.m.
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lol wut. edm wouldn't give any one of these four.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 11:01 p.m.
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Lets go Oilers
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Quoting: reelkena
lol wut. edm wouldn't give any one of these four.


Why not?
Jul. 20, 2020 at 11:02 p.m.
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Lets go Oilers
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Quoting: reelkena
lol wut. edm wouldn't give any one of these four.

I think that it is a good trade i would be happy if the Oilers did that.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 11:22 p.m.
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Quoting: oiler
I think that it is a good trade i would be happy if the Oilers did that.


I will give you the short version. Then one with info.

The short version is, if you looked up defensive liability in the dictionary, you wouldn't see Risto's picture. Because he missed picture day just like he misses every puck.

The longer version is, + - is a weird stat. People think it's dumb because they don't know how it works. How it does work is comparing people on the same team, in the same system with the same win/loss ratio, team goals against, etc.

Risto is a -145 in 500 games
Montour +9 in 75 games (small sample, probably disregard)
Dahlin is a -20 in 150 games on pace for about -65 in 500 games. Dahlin is a better defensemen, nobody is saying Risto is bad because he's not Dahlin. But you don't know how hard it is to be more than twice as bad defensively in a real sample on the same team. (the teams before Dahlin got there are comparable)
McCabe is a -30 in 340 games on pace for a -45. This is the best comparable. Risto lets teams score 3 times as many goals more than the team scores than Jake McCabe, on the same team, in the same system. Risto plays more minutes, which does matter and Risto gets more points, which does matter but in all calculated stats McCabe would be a much better get for any team. He's also making half as much. And there is no way you're trading 4 pieces for Jake McCabe. So now tell me how much you love Risto.
Jul. 20, 2020 at 11:25 p.m.
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oilers pass, they have no use for risto
Jul. 21, 2020 at 12:03 a.m.
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Risto is an interesting player. I'm really curious to see how he would perform on a different team. I'm not sure the Oilers are a good fit for him though - especially at that price. It would be great for him to go to a team some softer fan/media critique.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 11:43 a.m.
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Quoting: reelkena
I will give you the short version. Then one with info.

The short version is, if you looked up defensive liability in the dictionary, you wouldn't see Risto's picture. Because he missed picture day just like he misses every puck.

The longer version is, + - is a weird stat. People think it's dumb because they don't know how it works. How it does work is comparing people on the same team, in the same system with the same win/loss ratio, team goals against, etc.

Risto is a -145 in 500 games
Montour +9 in 75 games (small sample, probably disregard)
Dahlin is a -20 in 150 games on pace for about -65 in 500 games. Dahlin is a better defensemen, nobody is saying Risto is bad because he's not Dahlin. But you don't know how hard it is to be more than twice as bad defensively in a real sample on the same team. (the teams before Dahlin got there are comparable)
McCabe is a -30 in 340 games on pace for a -45. This is the best comparable. Risto lets teams score 3 times as many goals more than the team scores than Jake McCabe, on the same team, in the same system. Risto plays more minutes, which does matter and Risto gets more points, which does matter but in all calculated stats McCabe would be a much better get for any team. He's also making half as much. And there is no way you're trading 4 pieces for Jake McCabe. So now tell me how much you love Risto.


Personally, I only look at +- if it's a major outlier. Like -165 in 500 games.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 12:50 p.m.
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Fanboys make bad Gms
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Quoting: LetsGoPens29
Personally, I only look at +- if it's a major outlier. Like -165 in 500 games.


Basically same. but you still need comparables. Like 4 years in Detroit everyone is gonna be -165. But that's Detroit.
Jul. 28, 2020 at 1:26 p.m.
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I just feel like +- is so often not the players fault that it doesn't really matter
 
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