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Team: 2020-21 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 21, 2020
Published: Jul. 21, 2020
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 1:55 p.m.
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i really like batherson and the mid-1st in a deep draft is good. i'd rather formenton than thomson. i don't see why the avs would do that trade but the value isn't terrible.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 1:57 p.m.
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weird deal, both teams say no
Jul. 21, 2020 at 1:57 p.m.
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That looks like a solid offer. I dont know much about Batherson or Thomson so i dont think im qualified to evaluate this trade but positionally it kinda makes sense for COL
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 1:59 p.m.
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Interesting target but I would suspect if Ottawa was going to make a package like that it would be for an experienced proven commodity to help shelter and groom the youth along. I could be wrong I just wouldn’t go in that direction personally.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:01 p.m.
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I'm in. I wish Thomson was LD and a bit better defensively, but I would take this deal. I don't think the Sens do it though.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:02 p.m.
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weird deal, both teams say no


I agree. Dealing Byram makes little sense for COL despite their strong current blueline. They'll likely move on from one of their Dman this offseason and lose another one to expansion next year. Having Byram be able to step up into a significant role after that is huge for them.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:02 p.m.
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I just like the thought of that D Core in a few years.

Chabot-Brannstrom
Byram-Drysdale
Wolainen-Bernard Docker
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:04 p.m.
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I agree. Dealing Byram makes little sense for COL despite their strong current blueline. They'll likely move on from one of their Dman this offseason and lose another one to expansion next year. Having Byram be able to step up into a significant role after that is huge for them.


You don't need a Byram caliber player to play the 3rd line in 2 years.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:11 p.m.
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Such an easy no from COL. Batherson in COL is a bottom 6, the NYI pick is at best in the early teens, and Thomson for me is meh.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:12 p.m.
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You don't need a Byram caliber player to play the 3rd line in 2 years.

Who said he would? Best estimate he plays 3rd line next season with Cole and then it’s him and Makar as the top pairing. The Avs aren’t trading Byram especially for that pot luck offer.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:13 p.m.
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I just like the thought of that D Core in a few years.

Chabot-Brannstrom
Byram-Drysdale
Wolainen-Bernard Docker

I bet you do, to bad Byram isn’t ever playing for the Sens.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:14 p.m.
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I'm in. I wish Thomson was LD and a bit better defensively, but I would take this deal. I don't think the Sens do it though.


That would be a bad choice.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:26 p.m.
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That would be a bad choice.


I don't think so. Batherson looks like he's going to be very good, and Thomson has a nice season as well. Add whoever you like at 20 or so (Lapierre maybe) and that is a solid offer.

Byram might be good, but I doubt he'll be Hughes, Makar, or Heiskanen. And with Makar, Girard, and Timmins (and Thomson in this scenario) he's redundant. I think the Avs end up on the better side of this one.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:29 p.m.
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You don't need a Byram caliber player to play the 3rd line in 2 years.


In 2 years he should easily be in their top 4. Graves has done well paired up with Makar, but he or another of the current Dmen will likely be lost to SEA like I said above.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:32 p.m.
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No way Colorado touches this. Thomson had a meagre season, and a mid 1st isn't close to Byram's value. Batherson is nice but not a top 6 piece in Colorado. This feels like quantity over quantity.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:40 p.m.
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Pass. Stop this nonsense

Avs are trying to win starting in this playoffs, they aren moving Byram for guys that would make an impact on the roster in 2-3 years.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:52 p.m.
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In 2 years he should easily be in their top 4. Graves has done well paired up with Makar, but he or another of the current Dmen will likely be lost to SEA like I said above.


Who are the Avs protecting over Graves? Girard, Makar whose the 3rd guy?
Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:58 p.m.
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Erik Johnson.
He has a NMC and has to be protected.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Who are the Avs protecting over Graves? Girard, Makar whose the 3rd guy?


Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Who are the Avs protecting over Graves? Girard, Makar whose the 3rd guy?


Erik Johnson.
He has a NMC and has to be protected.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 3:00 p.m.
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Erik Johnson.
He has a NMC and has to be protected.


Dang that sucks. You guys are gonna lose a great player.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 3:01 p.m.
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I don't think so. Batherson looks like he's going to be very good, and Thomson has a nice season as well. Add whoever you like at 20 or so (Lapierre maybe) and that is a solid offer.

Byram might be good, but I doubt he'll be Hughes, Makar, or Heiskanen. And with Makar, Girard, and Timmins (and Thomson in this scenario) he's redundant. I think the Avs end up on the better side of this one.

So “he looks like he is going to be very good” and “has a nice season” and 20 for a guy the Avs ran to the podium to draft 4th overall. “But I doubt he’ll be as good as “

Think I’ll trust the scouting department that the team literally spends millions on to not give away a guy consensusly ranked as not just the Avs best prospect but worst case the 3rd best prospect in the league.

Good teams rarely get to add elite talent via the draft, when they do and make it count they build something special. Trading even that potential away for a bunch of spare parts is at best short sighted and more realistically stupid. I mean come on your willing to trade the #4 overall picked basically a yr ago for a bunch of maybe’s and hopefully’s not even seeing him play a SINGLE nhl game.

Bad decision.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 3:03 p.m.
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Dang that sucks. You guys are gonna lose a great player.


True, but that's what happens with deep rosters. And looking at the possible expansion options on COL they may even lose a forward rather than a Dman depending on who SEA likes. Some good options for them on the Avs.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 3:03 p.m.
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Dang that sucks. You guys are gonna lose a great player.


I think Avs have come to terms with protecting Johnson (NMC), Makar and Girard understanding that they expose both Zadorov and Graves. Sucks losing one but it is what it is. I’m curious if the Avs would consider throwing Seattle a late draft pick to take a forward instead (Kamanev?)
Jul. 21, 2020 at 3:05 p.m.
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I think Avs have come to terms with protecting Johnson (NMC), Makar and Girard understanding that they expose both Zadorov and Graves. Sucks losing one but it is what it is. I’m curious if the Avs would consider throwing Seattle a late draft pick to take a forward instead (Kamanev?)


Graves is as good as gone. He has way too much value to pass up on. Unless Colorado gives them a 1st or overpay him on his next contract.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 3:24 p.m.
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So “he looks like he is going to be very good” and “has a nice season” and 20 for a guy the Avs ran to the podium to draft 4th overall. “But I doubt he’ll be as good as “

Think I’ll trust the scouting department that the team literally spends millions on to not give away a guy consensusly ranked as not just the Avs best prospect but worst case the 3rd best prospect in the league.

Good teams rarely get to add elite talent via the draft, when they do and make it count they build something special. Trading even that potential away for a bunch of spare parts is at best short sighted and more realistically stupid. I mean come on your willing to trade the #4 overall picked basically a yr ago for a bunch of maybe’s and hopefully’s not even seeing him play a SINGLE nhl game.

Bad decision.


To put it in a different context, it would be trading #4 OA for two firsts (one in a very deep and good draft) and one of the better prospects in the league who is also pretty much a sure thing in Batherson. The value is fair. Add that I think (a) Byram is a bit over hyped and not a sure thing, and (b) the Avs may not be able to utilize him properly means I'd probably take the deal.

Honestly I'd have to look deeper at the roster and projections to fully make that determination, but that's where I'm at. Newhook, Batherson, and a guy like Lapierre, Zary, or Perreault (plus maybe O'Rourke with the Avs pick) gives the team a great future up front to go along with Makar, Girard, and Timmins on the back end. I can see this extending the window by quite a bit and having a cumulative effect that is better than adding Byram.

You're definitely right to trust the scouting department over me. I'm just some dude on the internet. I can give my opinions though, and that's what they are.
 
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