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Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 21, 2020
Published: Jul. 21, 2020
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Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$3,500,000
3$3,500,000
3$1,250,000
2$850,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$3,000,000
Trades
1.
MIN
  1. Bjugstad, Nick
  2. 2021 7th round pick (ANA)
2.
PIT
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (PIT)
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (CGY)
CHI
  1. Murray, Matt [RFA Rights]
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2021
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2022
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23$81,500,000$77,519,342$0$850,000$3,980,658
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
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UFA - 4
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
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$894,167$894,167
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$2,875,000$2,875,000
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UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
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NTC
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$850,000$850,000
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RD
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UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
UFA - 1
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$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
UFA - 5
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
G
UFA - 2
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:05 p.m.
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I dont think MIN would do that, Foligno has been very good for them. That Murray trade is one of the more realistic ones ive seen posted though. If Crawford retires I could see CHI looking for a new goalie
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:19 p.m.
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Just out of curiosity what’s the chances Pittsburg keeps Murray and deals Jarry? I think their is several possible reasons for them to do so. Murray is the more proven playoff performer, selling him after a poor season to his standards isn’t an ideal situation. Or they keep both and let Seattle have one?
Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:39 p.m.
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Kyle from Chicago
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I've said it before, I'll say it again.

Max I would pay for Murray would be a second round pick.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:41 p.m.
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
I've said it before, I'll say it again.

Max I would pay for Murray would be a second round pick.


That's cool chief but I don't remember anyone asking you
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 2:54 p.m.
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
I've said it before, I'll say it again.

Max I would pay for Murray would be a second round pick.


"yeah I would love to have your two time cup winning starting goalie, but ONLY if it costs me a prospect with a 50% chance of being a regular NHL player in three years, you add another with a 30% chance and the deal just becomes INSANE"

everyone overrates picks after the first round to a crazy degree on this site, we shipped a third for Marleau they aren't worth that much lol
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 3:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
"yeah I would love to have your two time cup winning starting goalie, but ONLY if it costs me a prospect with a 50% chance of being a regular NHL player in three years, you add another with a 30% chance and the deal just becomes INSANE"

everyone overrates picks after the first round to a crazy degree on this site, we shipped a third for Marleau they aren't worth that much lol


I tend to agree with you on pick value. Even late 1sts traded at the TDL are FAR from proven success stories. Hence why they happen so often at the TDL. That said...WAY too many UFA options for the Hawks to be trading away assets for a goalie.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 3:00 p.m.
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That's cool chief but I don't remember anyone asking you


Considering the post is trading Murray to my team I think the poster is decidedly asking for Chicago fans to consider/accept this trade.

But hey, don't let common sense stop you from ”thinking you got me real good”. Keep on keeping on champ.

Quoting: Marino4Norris
"yeah I would love to have your two time cup winning starting goalie, but ONLY if it costs me a prospect with a 50% chance of being a regular NHL player in three years, you add another with a 30% chance and the deal just becomes INSANE"

everyone overrates picks after the first round to a crazy degree on this site, we shipped a third for Marleau they aren't worth that much lol



I actually wouldn't love to have your goalie, hence why I would only give up a second rounder for him. Can't wait to see what happens to him this fall, should be really interesting.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 3:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
Considering the post is trading Murray to my team I think the poster is decidedly asking for Chicago fans to consider/accept this trade.

But hey, don't let common sense stop you from ”thinking you got me real good”. Keep on keeping on champ.




I actually wouldn't love to have your goalie, hence why I would only give up a second rounder for him. Can't wait to see what happens to him this fall, should be really interesting.


I mean sure but it's a weird argument to say 'no I don't want Murray unless Pittsburgh gives us him for less than his value.' I have no idea why you would counter the proposal unless you're interested in the player, just say you would prefer if Chicago overpays Lehner or Markstrom and move on. Pittsburgh would have 5+ bidders for Murray if the price was only a 2nd, so Pens fans are confident that he'll go to a team for more than that. Acting like adding a 3rd to the trade would somehow make him a wildly worse option for Chicago is just a weird point to try to make
Jul. 21, 2020 at 3:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
I mean sure but it's a weird argument to say 'no I don't want Murray unless Pittsburgh gives us him for less than his value.' I have no idea why you would counter the proposal unless you're interested in the player, just say you would prefer if Chicago overpays Lehner or Markstrom and move on. Pittsburgh would have 5+ bidders for Murray if the price was only a 2nd, so Pens fans are confident that he'll go to a team for more than that. Acting like adding a 3rd to the trade would somehow make him a wildly worse option for Chicago is just a weird point to try to make


I would rather the hawks over pay Markstrom or Lehner than overpay in a trade for Murray. Now lets move on. Tell all the other pens fans they can stop posting Murray to Chicago trades. While your at it they can stop with the saad for a 2nd and Ashton-reece trades too.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 3:24 p.m.
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Kyle from Chicago
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
I mean sure but it's a weird argument to say 'no I don't want Murray unless Pittsburgh gives us him for less than his value.' I have no idea why you would counter the proposal unless you're interested in the player, just say you would prefer if Chicago overpays Lehner or Markstrom and move on. Pittsburgh would have 5+ bidders for Murray if the price was only a 2nd, so Pens fans are confident that he'll go to a team for more than that. Acting like adding a 3rd to the trade would somehow make him a wildly worse option for Chicago is just a weird point to try to make


It's not really a weird argument, or really any argument at all, to say that the maximum I would give up for Murray is a second round pick. Its a fact, I didn't say anything along the lines of ”Murray won't get more than a second on the market, or getting Murray for a second and a third is too much value for Chicago and blah blah blah blah”

As to your nonsensical point about ” why you would counter the proposal unless you're interested in the player”, I have to say what I've just got through saying. I wouldn't ”LOVE” to have your goaltender for anything more than a second round pick. That is where my interest starts and stops.

If you guys have 5+ bidders on Murray at a second round pick value (which I will doubt in the current market), then good for you. Ship him off to one of those teams, because I don't think Chicago is one of them.

I'm not sure what about my original post made your guys head explode so much, and to be honest I really don't care all that much.

If you think you'll get more for Murray, be my guest, but Chicago is out after it costs more than a second round pick.

Also, as a bonus, can you name 5 teams, none being Chicago, that would be better off trading more than a second for Murray?
Jul. 21, 2020 at 3:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Wadejos123
I would rather the hawks over pay Markstrom or Lehner than overpay in a trade for Murray. Now lets move on. Tell all the other pens fans they can stop posting Murray to Chicago trades. While your at it they can stop with the saad for a 2nd and Ashton-reece trades too.


To add to this post, no more of the Murray + D- prospects for Saad.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 3:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
Considering the post is trading Murray to my team I think the poster is decidedly asking for Chicago fans to consider/accept this trade.

But hey, don't let common sense stop you from ”thinking you got me real good”. Keep on keeping on champ.




I actually wouldn't love to have your goalie, hence why I would only give up a second rounder for him. Can't wait to see what happens to him this fall, should be really interesting.


I really don't understand the logic behind not having a goalie when you're trying to contend. Do you guys enjoy missing the playoffs? And considering how Rutherford fleeces you everytime he trades with you I wouldn't be shocked if we got the 9th pick this year for Murray
Jul. 21, 2020 at 3:59 p.m.
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I really don't understand the logic behind not having a goalie when you're trying to contend. Do you guys enjoy missing the playoffs? And considering how Rutherford fleeces you everytime he trades with you I wouldn't be shocked if we got the 9th pick this year for Murray


Lol get blocked troll.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 4:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
I mean sure but it's a weird argument to say 'no I don't want Murray unless Pittsburgh gives us him for less than his value.' I have no idea why you would counter the proposal unless you're interested in the player, just say you would prefer if Chicago overpays Lehner or Markstrom and move on. Pittsburgh would have 5+ bidders for Murray if the price was only a 2nd, so Pens fans are confident that he'll go to a team for more than that. Acting like adding a 3rd to the trade would somehow make him a wildly worse option for Chicago is just a weird point to try to make


What's so hard to understand about keeping assets? ECON 101 is just the basics. Supply/Demand is a real thing. When There are ~7 UFA goalies + ~3 teams trying to trade goalies with only ~4 teams truly looking...it makes zero sense. PIT doesn't have 5 suitors lined up for either of their goalies. They don't even have 3. BUT Let's pretend PIT does actually make a trade to OTT (the best destination for Murray) All that means is there's even less demand for the ~7 UFA goalies out there. The Hawks MUST wait.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 4:48 p.m.
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It's not really a weird argument, or really any argument at all, to say that the maximum I would give up for Murray is a second round pick. Its a fact, I didn't say anything along the lines of ”Murray won't get more than a second on the market, or getting Murray for a second and a third is too much value for Chicago and blah blah blah blah”

As to your nonsensical point about ” why you would counter the proposal unless you're interested in the player”, I have to say what I've just got through saying. I wouldn't ”LOVE” to have your goaltender for anything more than a second round pick. That is where my interest starts and stops.

If you guys have 5+ bidders on Murray at a second round pick value (which I will doubt in the current market), then good for you. Ship him off to one of those teams, because I don't think Chicago is one of them.

I'm not sure what about my original post made your guys head explode so much, and to be honest I really don't care all that much.

If you think you'll get more for Murray, be my guest, but Chicago is out after it costs more than a second round pick.

Also, as a bonus, can you name 5 teams, none being Chicago, that would be better off trading more than a second for Murray?


Pretty clearly said 5+ bidders at the cost of a 2nd, which by your own volition would include Chicago. Add Detroit, Ottawa, Calgary, and potentially Buffalo, San Jose, Vegas, and Vancouver depending on what happens with their goaltending situations. So yes, a lot of teams could offer a 2nd, which means the cost will be higher
Jul. 21, 2020 at 4:49 p.m.
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To add to this post, no more of the Murray + D- prospects for Saad.


Same with Chicago fans and Saad for a first without max retention
Jul. 21, 2020 at 4:49 p.m.
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Pretty clearly said 5+ bidders at the cost of a 2nd, which by your own volition would include Chicago. Add Detroit, Ottawa, Calgary, and potentially Buffalo, San Jose, Vegas, and Vancouver depending on what happens with their goaltending situations. So yes, a lot of teams could offer a 2nd, which means the cost will be higher


Calgary, Vancouver, San Jose aren't real options.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 10:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
"yeah I would love to have your two time cup winning starting goalie, but ONLY if it costs me a prospect with a 50% chance of being a regular NHL player in three years, you add another with a 30% chance and the deal just becomes INSANE"

everyone overrates picks after the first round to a crazy degree on this site, we shipped a third for Marleau they aren't worth that much lol


For the record that 2nd has about a 20-25% chance of becoming an average nhl player
and the 3rd a 12-8% chance.

Trades a joke, Chicago keeps begging for murray on here they think they will get him for nothing.

He'll go to seattle for taking back cap before he'll go for that.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 11:59 p.m.
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For the record Trades a joke, Chicago keeps begging for murray on here they think they will get him for nothing.


If you filter ALL the posts to just CHI posts...theres literally 1 post trying the get Murray over 5 pages of JUST CHI posts.

Yet...PIT fans can't stop trying sell ALL their goalies (yes even Flower back in the day) as if they're Hasek.
 
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