I think you’re going to have a lot of angry Buffalo fans. I’m sure they’d rather do 8OA than Cozens. They will probably bring up an OS also since chances it’s not of a great pick and weaker draft.

I don't think Tampa will trade Cirelli, but this is a agm where they move him and Johnson, but keep the other key players. Cozens would have a chance to make the team right away but knowing Tampa, he would start the year in Syracuse and possibly come up later as needed.

If BUF is willing to give up Cozens for Cirelli I think it would need to be straight up. I don't see them taking a pick downgrade as well.

Hoooo boy. Why would Buffalo not just offer a 1 year offer sheet that TBL can't afford to match given they have $150k cap space rather than give up last year's 7th overall pick who had an excellent d+1 season?

Cirelli isntbtaking an OS to leave Tampa for Buffalo, and the 8OA l, Mittlestadt etc don't interest Tampa. If Tampa was going to think about moving Cirelli, a player that could replace him at 2C in a year or so would need to come back. Again, don't see Tampa moving him, just wanted to see how the team might look if they did.

Yeah, that's also possible. I gave Tampa the pick upgrade since Cirelli has proven himself at the nhl level while Cozens, although he had a great D+1 year, has not. The picks in the trade can certainly be altered.

Cozens is obviously not yet a proven NHL player, but his ceiling is quite high. I could see a 1-for-1 deal like this benefiting both teams, but not sure if BUF would want to lose Cozens. As mentioned by someone else they may prefer to deal the 8th OA pick for help instead.

As a Preds fan, I'm not too keen on that trade. I don't think Johnson is the type of player NSH needs -- I'd much prefer Killorn and his shorter, cheaper contract.

Unfortunately Dylan Cozens can’t play in the great city of Syracuse due to CHL rules.
This trade is more realistic
To BUF Gourde and Cirelli
To Tampa 8th overall.

You don’t know if he’d sign an OS unless you are Cirelli, immediate family, or his agent. You also don’t know if Johnson and Coburn would waive their full NTC.

oilers take that

Because Cirelli would have to choose to sign any offer sheet. That means he would have to choose to live and play in Buffalo over Tampa. Even without considering the giant disparity between the quality of each of the teams, the tax considerations and weather make that a pretty easy choice.

See that logic works when Tampa can afford him. They REALLY can't. This example solution has 4 guys traded away and still only has $150k cap space. Everyone that has their own 2nd next year could comfortably afford to get him on a 2-4 year bridge @ about 4 million. I dont see why Tampa would get something in return that was higher than the offer sheet compensation.

I'm sure that's true. However, offer sheets only work if the player chooses to play in the city that wants to sign him. If you said someone like Los Angeles wanted to sign him (i.e. a team with a ton of cap space in an ideal location), then that would be a bit more realistic. LA would probably have to overpay a bit to offset their insane state tax rates, but they can probably afford to right now. Unfortunately, Buffalo has the double whammy of being in a state with high taxes and not really being an ideal place to live. As you say, Tampa's not really in a position to match, so unfortunately he would most likely have to play for whichever team he signed with.

Now i'm not from the US, so I can't speak for how unpleasant Buffalo is, or Tampa for that matter, but you've gotta imagine that enough teams are eyeballing him at that 2nd round pick level that trading him is a moot point, let along hoping to get Cozens AND a pick.

I don't think a team will get him for a 2nd round pick. I think it will take a 1st and a B prospect or a 2nd and a A prospect. I think Cozens is an overreach, but it's not as far off as you suggest.

By the 2nd im referred to the compensation for an offer sheet. I could see 3x4 being a good starting point for a team.

Any offer sheet for Cirelli is going to take $6M+, especially if it is coming from a high tax state.

Cirelli is a nice player, but I am not interested in moving Cozens for him.

I could be talked into the #8 Overall pick if it comes with an extension of atleast 6 years, or replace cozens with mittelstadt or any other prospect.

Ah, well then Cozens would likely make the team then. Gourde isn't waiving for Buffalo and Tampa doesn't want the 8th pick for them, so they decline.

He might because he’s playing bottom 6 minutes in Tampa he would definitely be on the top 6 in Buffalo.
Cozens probably has a higher potential than Cirelli top.

Sure, and yet basically every one on here assumes Cirelli, Serg and Cernak are def taking those OS when there's been 1 accepted in 7 years. I'll keep rolling with them staying in Tampa, like all the other Tampa rfas have done in the same time period.

Which is why there's likely no trade, as Tampa isn't interested in moving Cirelli for either of those maybes.

Yeah, if a team offer sheets him at 4 million and he accepts, Tampa should send that team a very nice gift package for the favor. Cirelli likely bridges in Tampa for around 4 or so anyway, but this would make things much easier.

He very well might, and I mostly agree that Buffalo should keep him and the 8th and just be patient with the rebuild process. I just wanted to see how Tampa would look trading Cirelli for him, as that would.be the only type of return Tampa would accept imo. I could see a 1 for 1 or just a slight upgrade in picks(like swapping 2nds or something).