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Cierreli offer sheet

Created by: Wadejos123
Team: 2020-21 Chicago Blackhawks
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 21, 2020
Published: Jul. 21, 2020
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Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$3,500,000
1$1,000,000
3$6,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$6,250,000
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Lafreniere, Alexis
3$925,000
Offer Sheets
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Cirelli, Anthony$6,000,000
2021 1st round pick
2021 3rd round pick
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  1. 2020 3rd round pick (CGY)
  2. 2022 5th round pick (CHI)
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  1. Portillo, Erik [Reserve List]
  2. 2021 1st round pick (BUF)
3.
CHI
  1. 2021 1st round pick (CAR)
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$73,137,039$1,090,244$5,982,500$8,362,961
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
C
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UFA - 3
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$2,625,000$2,625,000
RW
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UFA - 3
Lafreniere, Alexis
$925,000$925,000
$6,000,000$6,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
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$6,400,000$6,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C, RW
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$725,000$725,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
C
UFA - 1
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,538,462$5,538,462
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UFA - 3
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 2
$6,250,000$6,250,000
G
UFA - 6
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$3,850,000$3,850,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 3
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$6,875,000$6,875,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
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$792,500$792,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LD
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
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UFA - 1

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Jul. 21, 2020 at 6:05 p.m.
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Ya better spell his name correctly on the offer sheet or he won’t sign.
And if he did, it wouldn’t even be legal.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 6:22 p.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Cirelli isn't signing that cheaply, And Markstrom wants more term.


Cirelli is definitely signing for that cheaply. Especially if he wants to stay in Tampa.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 6:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Bluejackets2000
Ya better spell his name correctly on the offer sheet or he won’t sign.
And if he did, it wouldn’t even be legal.


CapFriendly Rule #1: If you can't spell him, you can't have him.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 7:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Book_Hockey
Hate to be that guy. But why would he sign of OS of 6 million in a highly taxed state? 6 mil in Illinois gets you about as far as 4.5/4.75 does in Tampa, FL.


Incorrect. a 6 million dollar deal gives Cirelli about 3.4 mil in chicago and 3.7 in Tampa. A 4.5 mil deal would be far less after tax than the 3.4 he takes in from chicago. So If tampa can match this deal he gets more money (about 300k), but I don't think they can afford to give him 6 mil against the cap for 3 years. Not unless Palat, Johnson, and killorn all waive NTC's, and why would they for the reasons you mentioned. They make more on their current deals in tampa and its a contender in a warm weather enviroment. CF has an income tax calculator under the calculator section on the top bar if you want to check all this out
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 7:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Donny1313
That 10.25% tax rate is assuming they live in chicago, which many athletes in illinois live in the suburbs. IL also has a flat rate at 4.95%. Agents taking money is a moot point because they are going to take that same 3-5% anywhere the player is, not only chicago. Again escrow is taken no matter where the player plays so it is a moot point again. The federal tax rate doesnt change depending on state, so again it is a moot point. While FL doesnt have income tax (which is incredibly nice), you cant assume all the extra "expenses" just fall on the player playing in chicago and not in FL. We can both agree though that CA screws the players


If there is an income tax that applies to where someone works but not where they live then that person is required to pay non resident taxes. So for instance if I work in NYC but live in NJ, I must file a non resident tax return for NY State and NYC and resident tax return for Florida. The point about the federal and and agent and escrow portions is that they are are percentage of the gross amount and not a fixed number. So the bigger the gross earnings the higher the deduction amount. The point is the player only keeps about 44% of the higher contract number before state taxes.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 7:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Lsendel3
It’s not as clear cut as you made it. The tax amount depends on where games are played. Yes you get a benefit from FL, but it’s not all like your saying


I stand corrected. I had read a couple of articles based upon this premise that were written a few years ago. I did not realize the tax codes and rates had changed that significantly since then
Jul. 21, 2020 at 7:59 p.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
I do believe that they're looking to sign both Cirelli and Serg to those 4x3 deals, yes. It'd very much follow the way TB has previously dealt with their youngsters.

I don't see any way teams being able to give out during these tight cap times bigger contracts for Cirelli than TB gave for Point...


Not many teams just takes one that the player is willing to take the sheet from. The Sabres for instance have 35 million in cap space and routinely spend right to the cap. This player would fill their biggest roster need. So I could very easily see them doing this. On top of that Tampa is going to have to clear some cap even to sign these guys to 3 x 4 AAV deals and with the financial limitations of many teams it will prove very difficult to offload salary. In addition most of the players Tampa would need to move have NMC and it will greatly limit the number of teams these players can be moved to if any.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 11:33 p.m.
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Quoting: dzmets
Not many teams just takes one that the player is willing to take the sheet from. The Sabres for instance have 35 million in cap space and routinely spend right to the cap. This player would fill their biggest roster need. So I could very easily see them doing this. On top of that Tampa is going to have to clear some cap even to sign these guys to 3 x 4 AAV deals and with the financial limitations of many teams it will prove very difficult to offload salary. In addition most of the players Tampa would need to move have NMC and it will greatly limit the number of teams these players can be moved to if any.


Yeah that might be true. I made a post regarding TB couple of weeks ago about how they could deal with the cap.
Jul. 21, 2020 at 11:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Book_Hockey
Hate to be that guy. But why would he sign of OS of 6 million in a highly taxed state? 6 mil in Illinois gets you about as far as 4.5/4.75 does in Tampa, FL.


Quoting: Donny1313
That 10.25% tax rate is assuming they live in chicago, which many athletes in illinois live in the suburbs. IL also has a flat rate at 4.95%. Agents taking money is a moot point because they are going to take that same 3-5% anywhere the player is, not only chicago. Again escrow is taken no matter where the player plays so it is a moot point again. The federal tax rate doesnt change depending on state, so again it is a moot point. While FL doesnt have income tax (which is incredibly nice), you cant assume all the extra "expenses" just fall on the player playing in chicago and not in FL. We can both agree though that CA screws the players


Quoting: Lsendel3
It’s not as clear cut as you made it. The tax amount depends on where games are played. Yes you get a benefit from FL, but it’s not all like your saying


Quoting: dzmets
That's right top tax rate in Chicago is 10.25 %. Which equates to 615,000 in state tax paid for 6 million salary agent takes usually 3 - 5%. Let's say 4 that's 240,000. Escrow is 20% next year then between 14 and 18 the next year and then 10 the year after that. Let's say 15% on average. Thats another 900k. Then 37 % federal tax rate is 2,220,000. So the player nets about 2,025,000.00 on 6AAV in Chicago. 4.75 in tampa gets 37% fed tax rate 1,757,500 in fed tax. 15% escrow 712,500 . 4 % for agent 190,000. On 4.75 in Tampa the player nets 2,090,000.00. That is why it is such an advantage for not tax state teams. When considering all factors and the player net income it does work out sometimes between 20- 25% difference in net. Could be worse for Chicago could be California 13.3 percent. There your talking about 25 -30% net difference


Hate to be that guy, but you are all wrong. The Illinois income tax rate is flat for all individuals regardless of where you live in Illinois at 4.95%. Players are taxed on their salaries based on where they play their games and thus, half of their salary is generated in their home state (half the games) so $6M salary, $3M is taxed in the home state. The difference between that $3M being taxed in Florida (0% income tax rate) versus illinois (4.95% income tax rate) is $148,500. The other half of their games again are taxed where they are played.

What some of you are quoting around the 10.25% tax rate is SALES TAX in Chicago not INCOME TAX. Many athletes live in the suburbs, mainly Bears players, because their training facility is in Lake Forest, IL. Other reasons because they want to live in a house with a backyard.
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Jul. 21, 2020 at 11:54 p.m.
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Quoting: dzmets
If there is an income tax that applies to where someone works but not where they live then that person is required to pay non resident taxes. So for instance if I work in NYC but live in NJ, I must file a non resident tax return for NY State and NYC and resident tax return for Florida. The point about the federal and and agent and escrow portions is that they are are percentage of the gross amount and not a fixed number. So the bigger the gross earnings the higher the deduction amount. The point is the player only keeps about 44% of the higher contract number before state taxes.


This is clearcut for athletes that they are taxed on where games are played based on Federal and State Tax Code. For individuals, it isn't as clear cut, athletes have a special provision in the federal and state tax codes as do musicians regarding income earned touring.
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Jul. 22, 2020 at 12:19 a.m.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Hate to be that guy, but you are all wrong. The Illinois income tax rate is flat for all individuals regardless of where you live in Illinois at 4.95%. Players are taxed on their salaries based on where they play their games and thus, half of their salary is generated in their home state (half the games) so $6M salary, $3M is taxed in the home state. The difference between that $3M being taxed in Florida (0% income tax rate) versus illinois (4.95% income tax rate) is $148,500. The other half of their games again are taxed where they are played.

What some of you are quoting around the 10.25% tax rate is SALES TAX in Chicago not INCOME TAX. Many athletes live in the suburbs, mainly Bears players, because their training facility is in Lake Forest, IL. Other reasons because they want to live in a house with a backyard.


You’ll have to explain how I’m wrong there as I said the same thing you did, except in a very less winded way.
Jul. 22, 2020 at 12:23 a.m.
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Quoting: Lsendel3
You’ll have to explain how I’m wrong there as I said the same thing you did, except in a very less winded way.


The other 3 were wrong, but was just elaborating on what you were saying in addition to addressing their misconceptions. Most people on here get this wrong and has been discussed many times.
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Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:27 p.m.
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Quoting: dzmets
I was just showing the math. Alot of people just figure the state tax rate and assume that is the net difference in net pay.


Quoting: justaBoss
Yeah. No point signing an offer sheet. TB's one of the best team in more ways than one. Contending team and good value contracts


Quoting: Shibbal18
Cost of living maybe more expensive but income tax is not far off, I was suprised
https://www.capfriendly.com/income-tax-calculator/6000000/blackhawks


Quoting: Lsendel3
It’s not as clear cut as you made it. The tax amount depends on where games are played. Yes you get a benefit from FL, but it’s not all like your saying


Quoting: Hawksince71
If Cierreli were to sign for $6 M (doubtful), just where does the Hawks find the cap space?


Quoting: Donny1313
xx


Cost of Living is a huge factor that is not mentioned in this discussion.
Housing would cost at least 3 to 4 times in NYC as compared to Buffalo.
This higher cost of living does not carry over to every item but in general entertainment, food, insurance, clothes, utilities etc are about 10 to 30% (or more) more expensive in NYC v Buffalo.
One can never measure the quality of life, but in Buffalo a serious traffic jam will add 10 minutes to a 30 minute trip. In NYC a serious jam could add 30 to 60 minutes.
BTW, how do I know this, I lived in both locations and I now travel to NYC to visit friends and to vacation.
So that $400,000 difference in a $6,000,000 salary between Buffalo and Nashville, could disappear just in the cost of housing.

Now let me be political.
Trump's tax plan was very punitive to the states that send more money to the federal then they receive.
The SALT cap of $10,000 was very unfair and every one should be upset.
NY State taxes its residents higher because its residents send more taxes to the feds than the state receives in federal aid, now we (citizens of the generous states) cannot take the full deduction from our federal taxes.
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