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If Byram and Timmins are both ready

Created by: Richard88
Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 22, 2020
Published: Jul. 22, 2020
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If Byram and Timmins both show themselves to be NHL ready that makes Graves expendable. Basically the idea would be to sign a top 6 forward in UFA (with ~$11m capspace), and then stock up on futures by trading Graves, Zadorov, and Jost.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$4,750,000
2$2,250,000
1$875,000
2$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$7,000,000
Trades
1.
COL
  1. McKeown, Roland [RFA Rights]
CAR
  1. Kamenev, Vladislav [RFA Rights]
2.
COL
  1. Fagemo, Samuel
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (LAK)
Additional Details:
A high 2nd and a prospect with 2nd line upside.
LAK
  1. Graves, Ryan [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Top 4 LHD that can eat heavy minutes and insulate their rookies.
3.
COL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (EDM)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (DET)
DET
  1. Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]
4.
COL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (FLA)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (FLA)
FLA
  1. Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]
5.
COL
    COL 1st (#29): Lukas Reichel (LW)
    LAK 2nd (#34): Ryan O'Rourke (LD)
    FLA 2nd (#45): Topi Niemela (RD)
    EDM 2nd (#51): Emil Heineman (LW)
    TOR 3rd (#81): Jack Finley (C)
    COL 4th (#122): Jan Bednar (G)
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      22$81,500,000$76,643,095$0$5,425,000$4,856,905

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      $6,300,000$6,300,000
      C
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      UFA - 3
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      $9,250,000$9,250,000
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      UFA - 2
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      UFA - 2
      $7,000,000$7,000,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 3
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      $2,250,000$2,250,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 2
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      UFA - 3
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      UFA - 1
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      $3,333,333$3,333,333
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      UFA - 1
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      UFA - 2
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      RFA - 1
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      UFA - 2
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      $795,000$795,000 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
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      RFA - 3
      $750,000$750,000
      RD
      UFA - 1
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      RFA - 2
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 2:51 p.m.
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      Who replaces cole next year in your opinion?
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 2:58 p.m.
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      Quoting: JeffW
      Who replaces cole next year in your opinion?


      We'd basically just need a stop-gap 6D for a year or two until O'Rourke or Zhuravlyov were ready, which shouldn't be too difficult to find either via UFA or trade. For example, a LHD version of McKeown or a cheaper version of Nemeth basically (like Coburn). Essentially just a stay-at-home pylon who's good on the PK on a 1-2 year deal. Could even resign Cole at a reasonable cap hit.

      Byram --- Makar
      Girard --- Johnson
      xxxxx ---- Timmins
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:01 p.m.
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      The Avs have the players and depth to be perennial cup contenders for many years. If your giving Dadonov 7M then how much is Landeskog going to ask for? Imo the Avs have about a 3 year window before some really hard decisions will need to be made.
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:08 p.m.
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      Dadonov at 7m.....yuck
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:11 p.m.
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      Quoting: Smokingun71
      The Avs have the players and depth to be perennial cup contenders for many years. If your giving Dadonov 7M then how much is Landeskog going to ask for? Imo the Avs have about a 3 year window before some really hard decisions will need to be made.


      Quoting: coga16
      Dadonov at 7m.....yuck

      Dadonov is more about the term than the AAV. I'd rather overpay a little bit to get him for 3 years or less. Ideally we could get him for less than $7m either way though.

      As for Landeskog, he's going to be getting a 6-7 year contract and will likely take more of a team-friendly contract as the team captain, so this Dadonov deal isn't the best comparable.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:15 p.m.
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      Personally, I wouldn’t make this trade for the kings. They have Anderson who looked ready and bjornfot almost there (should be up mid season) with clague as well.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:16 p.m.
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      Quoting: Richard88
      Dadonov is more about the term than the AAV. I'd rather overpay a little bit to get him for 3 years or less. Ideally we could get him for less than $7m either way though.

      As for Landeskog, he's going to be getting a 6-7 year contract and will likely take more of a team-friendly contract as the team captain, so this Dadonov deal isn't the best comparable.


      He is goign to be 32 next year and you are paying him 7m in his 35 year old season. Thats why its yuck
      Avs are not goign to be starting to give out bad contracts now just to get the deal done with a 2nd tier player
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:18 p.m.
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      Rebuilding teams don't trade away their high round draft picks.

      Additionally, they're not going to trade away one of their only two decent winger prospects for a defenseman.

      Kings decline.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:20 p.m.
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      Scrap Dadonov and sign Namestikov for 1/2 as much. Heck I’d rather have Toffoli at $6.5, Or any number of guys with less aav
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:25 p.m.
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      Quoting: Xqb15
      Scrap Dadonov and sign Namestikov for 1/2 as much. Heck I’d rather have Toffoli at $6.5, Or any number of guys with less aav

      Quoting: coga16
      He is goign to be 32 next year and you are paying him 7m in his 35 year old season. Thats why its yuck
      Avs are not goign to be starting to give out bad contracts now just to get the deal done with a 2nd tier player


      Sure, point taken. I'm not THAT keen on Dadonov, it was more of a placeholder. You can substitute him for any other UFA forward.
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:26 p.m.
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      Quoting: tkecanuck341
      Rebuilding teams don't trade away their high round draft picks.

      Additionally, they're not going to trade away one of their only two decent winger prospects for a defenseman.

      Kings decline.


      At some stage a rebuilding team starts to actually get players on the ice, and with the deepest prospect pool in the league LAK can afford to move some picks.
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:28 p.m.
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      Quoting: KINGS67
      Personally, I wouldn’t make this trade for the kings. They have Anderson who looked ready and bjornfot almost there (should be up mid season) with clague as well.


      It's a big assumption to assume that 3 pretty young defensive prospects can make the team at once. I know I've pencilled in Timmins and Byram here, but Timmins was drafted 3 years ago and Byram is the highest rated drafted prospect in the league.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:31 p.m.
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      Quoting: Richard88
      At some stage a rebuilding team starts to actually get players on the ice, and with the deepest prospect pool in the league LAK can afford to move some picks.


      I agree with "at some stage", but I don't think the Kings are at that stage yet. With the 2nd overall this year, they're right at the height of the rebuild. They're still a season or two away from moving out picks.
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:32 p.m.
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      Quoting: Richard88
      Sure, point taken. I'm not THAT keen on Dadonov, it was more of a placeholder. You can substitute him for any other UFA forward.


      Hall or Hoffman are the only ufas you give that kind of money too, I keep away from Dadonov,
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:40 p.m.
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      I’m not on board with Dadonov. I’d rather bring back Namestikov at half that cost or go to Free Agency and get a Hall/Hoffman/Toffoli (like mentioned above).

      I agree that the Avs can afford to move Graves/Zadorov although I don’t think bringing in Byram full time next season is a good idea. Let Byram develop one more year and keep Cole for that year.
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:42 p.m.
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      Quoting: coga16
      Hall or Hoffman are the only ufas you give that kind of money too, I keep away from Dadonov,


      Quoting: Richard88
      It's a big assumption to assume that 3 pretty young defensive prospects can make the team at once. I know I've pencilled in Timmins and Byram here, but Timmins was drafted 3 years ago and Byram is the highest rated drafted prospect in the league.


      Maybe a trade for Saad as he would be great next to Kadri and flanking Burakovsky....that would be a tough 2nd line to play against.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:48 p.m.
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      You're gunna need the money you spent on Dadonov to resign, Makar, Landeskog, and Grubauer the following season. With a flat cap, you're putting the Avalanche in a very difficult position.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 3:55 p.m.
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      I can't see Detroit giving up a 2nd and a 3rd for Zadorov.
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:10 p.m.
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      Quoting: NickC1988
      You're gunna need the money you spent on Dadonov to resign, Makar, Landeskog, and Grubauer the following season. With a flat cap, you're putting the Avalanche in a very difficult position.


      Avs can afford to add a ~$6m forward and still resign those guys. Keep in mind that Zadorov likely gets traded and one of Donskoi/Compher will likely get taken by Seattle (and replaced by Newhook). If Graves also gets traded that would open up even more capspace.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:11 p.m.
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      Quoting: ChiHawk
      Maybe a trade for Saad as he would be great next to Kadri and flanking Burakovsky....that would be a tough 2nd line to play against.


      I like Saad, but the prices touted by Chicago fans on here put me off a bit. If he can be had for a reasonable price I'd consider it, otherwise rather go for an UFA.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:12 p.m.
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      Quoting: coga16
      Hall or Hoffman are the only ufas you give that kind of money too, I keep away from Dadonov,


      How about $6m x 3 years for Dadonov? I'd avoid Hoffman personally, more for the baggage than anything else.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:13 p.m.
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      Quoting: tkecanuck341
      I agree with "at some stage", but I don't think the Kings are at that stage yet. With the 2nd overall this year, they're right at the height of the rebuild. They're still a season or two away from moving out picks.


      Fair enough. Some LAK fans on here have been in favour of a 2nd + 3rd trade for Zadorov, and so I figured you'd be willing to give up a similar (but somewhat better) package for Graves who is a better Dman.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:13 p.m.
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      Quoting: Richard88
      I like Saad, but the prices touted by Chicago fans on here put me off a bit. If he can be had for a reasonable price I'd consider it, otherwise rather go for an UFA.


      Yeah, will cost the 1st and a 3rd or 4th. Maybe a trade involving Compher and Hawks retain on Saad to even up the cap hits?
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:16 p.m.
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      Quoting: Richard88
      How about $6m x 3 years for Dadonov? I'd avoid Hoffman personally, more for the baggage than anything else.


      I just dont like the fit of him at all.

      Hall
      Toffoli
      Hoffman
      Namestinkov
      Haul

      That is my UFA ranked target list for the Avs
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:17 p.m.
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      Quoting: Richard88
      Fair enough. Some LAK fans on here have been in favour of a 2nd + 3rd trade for Zadorov, and so I figured you'd be willing to give up a similar (but somewhat better) package for Graves who is a better Dman.


      To be fair, I'm not on board with the proposed trade for Zadorov either for the same reason. The Kings should not be giving up picks at this stage of the rebuild.
       
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