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If Byram and Timmins are both ready

Created by: Richard88
Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 22, 2020
Published: Jul. 22, 2020
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If Byram and Timmins both show themselves to be NHL ready that makes Graves expendable. Basically the idea would be to sign a top 6 forward in UFA (with ~$11m capspace), and then stock up on futures by trading Graves, Zadorov, and Jost.
Free Agent Signings
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4$4,750,000
2$2,250,000
1$875,000
2$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$7,000,000
Trades
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COL
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CAR
  1. Kamenev, Vladislav [RFA Rights]
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COL
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  2. 2020 2nd round pick (LAK)
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A high 2nd and a prospect with 2nd line upside.
LAK
  1. Graves, Ryan [RFA Rights]
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Top 4 LHD that can eat heavy minutes and insulate their rookies.
3.
COL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (EDM)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (DET)
DET
  1. Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]
4.
COL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (FLA)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (FLA)
FLA
  1. Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]
5.
COL
    COL 1st (#29): Lukas Reichel (LW)
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    FLA 2nd (#45): Topi Niemela (RD)
    EDM 2nd (#51): Emil Heineman (LW)
    TOR 3rd (#81): Jack Finley (C)
    COL 4th (#122): Jan Bednar (G)
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:17 p.m.
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      Quoting: NickC1988
      You're gunna need the money you spent on Dadonov to resign, Makar, Landeskog, and Grubauer the following season. With a flat cap, you're putting the Avalanche in a very difficult position.


      They can afford it through the Mack window and keeping Landy Makar or a Goalie, 6m is sort of the magic number for them this offseason to splash around with
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:17 p.m.
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      Why not just keep graves for that 6th spot, he played fantastic for us and most likely will take a low end deal. Cole will be the guy who runs 7th d and then most likely will be let go after the season.
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:19 p.m.
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      Quoting: ChiHawk
      Yeah, will cost the 1st and a 3rd or 4th. Maybe a trade involving Compher and Hawks retain on Saad to even up the cap hits?


      Colorado aren't trading a 1st in a deep draft for a rental. Which is why i said that the ask from Chicago fans is a turnoff... Especially in a year which will heavily favour buying teams with capspace.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:22 p.m.
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      Quoting: ArakinSkywalker
      Why not just keep graves for that 6th spot, he played fantastic for us and most likely will take a low end deal. Cole will be the guy who runs 7th d and then most likely will be let go after the season.


      Lately I have been kinda warming up to signing both Graves and Z and letting Cole go. One is either lost in the xdraft or traded after to a team that just lost one of their dmen to Seattle. I think Cole was important before, but now that the core has playoff experience they may not need him as much.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:23 p.m.
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      byram needs at least a year in the A
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:33 p.m.
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      Quoting: SuckMyAvs
      Lately I have been kinda warming up to signing both Graves and Z and letting Cole go. One is either lost in the xdraft or traded after to a team that just lost one of their dmen to Seattle. I think Cole was important before, but now that the core has playoff experience they may not need him as much.


      Yeah i agree, cole has served his purpose right now getting girard and makar into professionals, and i think his most important role next year would be a mentor to byram if he plays full time. I think Zads future completely relies on his playoff performance. He was a beast in last years playoffs but kind of a dud during the season, so if he makes life a living hell for players again in the playoffs he will get extended if he's just another d man this offseason i think he's packaged in a trade.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:34 p.m.
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      Quoting: Richard88
      Colorado aren't trading a 1st in a deep draft for a rental. Which is why i said that the ask from Chicago fans is a turnoff... Especially in a year which will heavily favour buying teams with capspace.


      I don't want to trade Saad and hope the Hawks extend him for $4.5M for 5 years personally. I'd be interested in a Compher trade though.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:49 p.m.
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      Quoting: ChiHawk
      I don't want to trade Saad and hope the Hawks extend him for $4.5M for 5 years personally. I'd be interested in a Compher trade though.


      Do you think Avs would have to add something to Compher to get Saad? Bearing in mind that Compher is signed for 3 years vs Saad's 1, and that Chicago needs capspace.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 4:56 p.m.
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      Quoting: kafle22
      byram needs at least a year in the A


      Due to WHL/NHL rules he's not allowed to play in the AHL next season. It's either NHL or back to the WHL.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:00 p.m.
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      Quoting: ArakinSkywalker
      Why not just keep graves for that 6th spot, he played fantastic for us and most likely will take a low end deal. Cole will be the guy who runs 7th d and then most likely will be let go after the season.


      Yeah that's a good option too. Could trade Cole instead. It might be smart to sell high on Graves though, but it totally depends on how ready Byram is and what sort of trade offers we receive. The best option is probably to keep him.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:00 p.m.
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      Quoting: Richard88
      Due to WHL/NHL rules he's not allowed to play in the AHL next season. It's either NHL or back to the WHL.


      why?
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:09 p.m.
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      Quoting: ArakinSkywalker
      Yeah i agree, cole has served his purpose right now getting girard and makar into professionals, and i think his most important role next year would be a mentor to byram if he plays full time. I think Zads future completely relies on his playoff performance. He was a beast in last years playoffs but kind of a dud during the season, so if he makes life a living hell for players again in the playoffs he will get extended if he's just another d man this offseason i think he's packaged in a trade.


      There are certainly benefits to keeping Cole, which you mentioned. Personally I think they move Z after the year and be done with it.

      If that's the case, I would like to see Byram with Cole for 9 games, then with Timmins while Byram hones his game in the WHL and tournaments (assuming they exist). After the WHL season ends Byram comes back and Cole is relegated to 7D for the playoffs, lol. Not the best reward for all that mentoring but whatever.

      If Z and Graves stay I kinda like that there's competition to see who sticks around long term. Maybe that gives Z the incentive to be good Z more often. And I love good Z.

      The xdraft gets weird with both exposed, but maybe EJ also has more incentive to waive if one of Graves or Z is also available. Idk, lots of moving parts. I'm kinda warming up to keeping Cole and Z though, like I said before.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:11 p.m.
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      Quoting: kafle22
      why?


      CHL needs to make money too. They don't want to lose their best players to the AHL. Thus the contract that guys from the CHL have to be 20 before they jet for the AHL.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:12 p.m.
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      Quoting: kafle22
      why?


      Players drafted from juniors aren't allowed to play in the AHL; and once they're sent back to the WHL they have to stay there the whole season. It's just the deal the NHL has with the WHL. I think it's stupid as it just works against players like Byram as he'd be much better served with a season in the AHL than another one in the WHL.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:13 p.m.
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      Quoting: SuckMyAvs
      CHL needs to make money too. They don't want to lose their best players to the AHL. Thus the contract that guys from the CHL have to be 20 before they jet for the AHL.


      Quoting: Richard88
      Players drafted from juniors aren't allowed to play in the AHL; and once they're sent back to the WHL they have to stay there the whole season. It's just the deal the NHL has with the WHL. I think it's stupid as it just works against players like Byram as he'd be much better served with a season in the AHL than another one in the WHL.


      thanks
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:20 p.m.
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      Quoting: SuckMyAvs
      There are certainly benefits to keeping Cole, which you mentioned. Personally I think they move Z after the year and be done with it.

      If that's the case, I would like to see Byram with Cole for 9 games, then with Timmins while Byram hones his game in the WHL and tournaments (assuming they exist). After the WHL season ends Byram comes back and Cole is relegated to 7D for the playoffs, lol. Not the best reward for all that mentoring but whatever.

      If Z and Graves stay I kinda like that there's competition to see who sticks around long term. Maybe that gives Z the incentive to be good Z more often. And I love good Z.

      The xdraft gets weird with both exposed, but maybe EJ also has more incentive to waive if one of Graves or Z is also available. Idk, lots of moving parts. I'm kinda warming up to keeping Cole and Z though, like I said before.


      Yeah I think the only move Sakic will make will be to trade Zadorov for a 2nd+ and then acquire a cheap 7D and AHL depth (to replace Barberio and Connauton).

      It's interesting to think about different permutations on D though, especially with two high-end rookies joining soon. There's going to be a good battle between Graves, Zadorov, and Cole this postseason as they'll all want to be part of the team next season, but at least one of them will have to make way.

      I like the idea of giving Byram 9 games at the start of the season, that's a logical move. I think Timmins will make himself undroppable by then though, so maybe it'll be Cole making way in the first 9 games rather than Timmins for Byram to get his 9+ games.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:21 p.m.
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      Quoting: kafle22
      thanks


      You're welcome smile
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:38 p.m.
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      Yeah I think the only move Sakic will make will be to trade Zadorov for a 2nd+ and then acquire a cheap 7D and AHL depth (to replace Barberio and Connauton).

      It's interesting to think about different permutations on D though, especially with two high-end rookies joining soon. There's going to be a good battle between Graves, Zadorov, and Cole this postseason as they'll all want to be part of the team next season, but at least one of them will have to make way.

      I like the idea of giving Byram 9 games at the start of the season, that's a logical move. I think Timmins will make himself undroppable by then though, so maybe it'll be Cole making way in the first 9 games rather than Timmins for Byram to get his 9+ games.


      Yeah Timmins is ready. No doubt in my mind. Byram I'm not sure about. It's a big jump in competition, and he's still very young. He should get a chance to show what he's got though. And if he's ready then great.

      Meant to say that I'm warming on keeping Z and Graves above (i.e. moving Cole in the off season). He may not bring a great return, but then you get a whole year of Graves and Z to assess which one to keep. It sure looks like Graves at the moment, but Z has some games when he's a force. If he could ever find consistency he'd be quite valuable.
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:56 p.m.
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      Quoting: SuckMyAvs
      Yeah Timmins is ready. No doubt in my mind. Byram I'm not sure about. It's a big jump in competition, and he's still very young. He should get a chance to show what he's got though. And if he's ready then great.

      Meant to say that I'm warming on keeping Z and Graves above (i.e. moving Cole in the off season). He may not bring a great return, but then you get a whole year of Graves and Z to assess which one to keep. It sure looks like Graves at the moment, but Z has some games when he's a force. If he could ever find consistency he'd be quite valuable.


      Yeah Zadorov could force Sakic to reconsider this offseason, but I think Sakic will be loyal to Cole and keep him around one more season. He's been more reliable than Zadorov, though Z does bring some intangibles that the team would miss. Decisions, decisions...
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:18 p.m.
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      Quoting: Richard88
      Do you think Avs would have to add something to Compher to get Saad? Bearing in mind that Compher is signed for 3 years vs Saad's 1, and that Chicago needs capspace.


      Chicago is fine with cap space. They will buyout Smith and either trade or buyout Maatta or trade De Haan.

      Yes, Avs would have to add but the amount depends on what the Avs would want Chicago to retain. Straight up, Compher and a 4th IMO.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:45 p.m.
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      Quoting: ChiHawk
      Chicago is fine with cap space. They will buyout Smith and either trade or buyout Maatta or trade De Haan.

      Yes, Avs would have to add but the amount depends on what the Avs would want Chicago to retain. Straight up, Compher and a 4th IMO.


      Avs don't need Chicago to retain. I would do Compher + 4th for Saad, but it would be contingent on Jost doing well enough in the playoffs to be entrusted with the 3C role next season (or acquiring a 3C by another means), as well as us finding a good PKer to replace Compher (Is Saad a good PKer by any chance, I don't recall?). Losing both Nieto (ufa) and Compher (trade) would hurt our PK since they're both on the top unit.
      Jul. 22, 2020 at 7:07 p.m.
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      Avs don't need Chicago to retain. I would do Compher + 4th for Saad, but it would be contingent on Jost doing well enough in the playoffs to be entrusted with the 3C role next season (or acquiring a 3C by another means), as well as us finding a good PKer to replace Compher (Is Saad a good PKer by any chance, I don't recall?). Losing both Nieto (ufa) and Compher (trade) would hurt our PK since they're both on the top unit.


      Saad is one of the top 20 top 6 wingers in the league defensively; his offense really isn't what makes him a good top 6 winger, it's his two way play. He plays both special play units. 40 takeaways to 25 giveaways is a good example of his ability to strip pucks. Like I said, I hope Chicago has the intent to extend him for $4.5M for 5 years, but if not, then Compher being a hometown kid and a 4th would be the right value for Saad being a 1 year rental.

      That 2nd line with Saad would be great defensively and offensively...good physical strong line.
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      Jul. 22, 2020 at 7:19 p.m.
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      Quoting: ChiHawk
      Saad is one of the top 20 top 6 wingers in the league defensively; his offense really isn't what makes him a good top 6 winger, it's his two way play. He plays both special play units. 40 takeaways to 25 giveaways is a good example of his ability to strip pucks. Like I said, I hope Chicago has the intent to extend him for $4.5M for 5 years, but if not, then Compher being a hometown kid and a 4th would be the right value for Saad being a 1 year rental.

      That 2nd line with Saad would be great defensively and offensively...good physical strong line.


      Sounds great, thanks for elaborating, very insightful!

      Coach Bednar is practicing with a 2nd line of Landeskog -- Kadri --- Nichuskin for the playoffs, so I'd imagine that he'd love to add someone like Saad who can play on a similar 2nd line as well.

      Burakovsky ---- Mackinnon ---- Rantanen
      Landeskog ------ Kadri ----------- Saad
      Nichuskin ------- Jost ------------- Donskoi
      Calvert --------- Bellemare ------ Kaut

      Those would be some really painful lines to play against for sure.
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