If Rakell is available, I think this is a better route to go as opposed to the Hall signings I see in some Avs posts. I think that is a perfectly acceptable offer as well, bordering on an overpay even maybe.

If Zadorov was a RHD I’d say it’s perfect but he’s not. They would probably want Timmins instead

I agree, we're gonna need money for raises soon and any kind of deadline deal if something isn't working. But i think it will be a high asking price for Rakell because of that contract he's on. Ideally you're looking at around 50-60 points for 3.7 which is a pretty sweet deal

Yeah i could see people not wanting Zads, i've pointed out his flaws in a few posts, he's a major wildcard as to what kind of player you're getting

If it's Timmins over Zadorov, then I feel like you have to downgrade the 1st to a 2nd. It'd suck to lose him, but I'd do it for Rakell

Yeah it's one of those you gotta give something good to get something good. It's a possibility to move jost + for a future top4 RHD if we moved timmins as well

Fair but the problem is that Timmins is off the table.

Avs protect 3 D at expansion: Johnson (NMC), Makar and Girard - meaning they already have come to terms with losing Zadorov and/or Graves (so why not move them while you can). Because of the loss of Graves and/or Zadorov, COL NEEDS to hold onto Timmins to fill those holes.

Honestly, given that Timmins is an NHL ready RHD with tons of upside, I wouldnt move him for Rakell 1 for 1. Young and talented RHD are gems, quality middle 6 F are dime a dozen (especially when you’ve got cap space to get one in FA)

I'd prefer (as the Ducks) to replace Zad with Timmins and just take out Bowers tbh

You're not wrong, but you also only have Mack at his steal of a deal for three more years. Gotta go for it in the window and plan for the aftermath. The man's gonna be paid upwards of $15 million depending on the fall out from all this covid nonsense.

I'm not saying we should just be throwing young dmen out the door, especially Timmins because he'd likely be top-4 on a good 10-15 other teams, but if we're going after a top-6 winger we're going to have to give up something we don't want to. On the one hand, you envy the hell out of Sakic's situation, but on the other? It's a tough one. One wrong move and it sets you up for failure down the road. If he plays his cards right though? Dynasty potential.

I think that Joe and Bednar (who loves Bowers) would love that haha

I like Bowers, but I like RHD more, and don't think Bowers will be a huge upgrade over Steel/Terry/Comtois/BoG/Heinen/Lundestrom etc in the middle 6 (long term)

It's an overpay for Rakell but GMBM might require that from Colorado.

Yeah from Anaheim's perspective Timmins+ is the return that makes sense since they're stocked with LHD's. But Sakic won't trade Timmins because he's way too important to this team's short and long-term future.

Nah, Timmins is rated extremely highly by Sakic and Bednar, they'd much sooner move Bowers than Timmins, even if they like Bowers too.

I'd be fine with that trade. It gets Colorado Rakell without giving up any of our 2020 1st or any of our top 4 prospects (Byram, Newhook, Timmins, Kaut).

Cost is a RHD late 1st / early 2nd and 2nd-3rd line winger

Timmins isn't just one for the future. He's going to be making an impact with this team as soon as this years playoffs, as well as between 2020-2023 during the teams prime cup window. What's especially true is that he's going to be on an ELC and cheap bridge deal for those years too, while playing at a top 4 level.

He had those two 30 goal seasons, is there a reason for the decrease in goals this and last year? Injury related or new linemates? He's only 27 so he could net 30 again but I'd like to see him do it consistently before sending a middle six winger, RHD and a 1st...Just curious if he still has that ability, not an insult or anything.

How about Helleson + COL 2021 1st + Donskoi/Compher/Jost?

Rakell will cost more than he's worth in this market because of the low cap hit. Colorado doesn't have a cap problem and still won't even after raises. It makes a lot more sense to me that the team goes after a UFA and keeps their assets (especially Timmins).

I do like the idea of him on the team, but I can't get past the cost. He'll want a fat raise after his current contract too, so it's likely the team ends up in worse shape than if they sign a guy like Toffoli.

Helleson, Donskoi, and 2021 would work

Well i think you'd let him walk after 2 years if you don't win 1 cup over those 2 seasons, and hopefully at that time Kaut is ready to make the jump to top 6 minutes. But i think the main thing is going after the cup, i don't want to move timmins, and if thats the cost there's other rental options(gallagher, Tatar, Anderson maybe) but a 1st and a prospect like bowers is an easy trade for a prime top 6 when you're in your win now window.

O no doubt, I was just saying that not including Bowers in a deal that involved Timmins would suit the Avs. Not saying they'd move Timmins over Bowers

I agree that it would be better to sign an UFA and keep our assets, but I'm not sure I agree with the part in bold.

In 2022 we have Kadri hitting UFA and only Bowers and Francouz to resign, with the cap likely going up slightly in 2022/23 (projected $1m increase), so we could probably resign Rakell at a reasonable caphit, unless of course he's asking for ridiculous money.

In the event that he doesn't resign, we'd have his cap space, plus Kadri's $4.5m to use to acquire someone in UFA or via trade at that stage and set us up for another cup push in the last 2 years of Newhook's ELC.

Being in the position of being a cup contender and having capspace in 2022 could be a really strong position to be in - just as it will be this offseason. And that advantage could be even more pronounced after 2 years of a flat cap. Signing an UFA in 2022 before the cap rises significantly again from 2023 onwards could be really nice timing to sign a contract with some free agents.

I wouldn't let him walk. Pretty sure the team would be able to keep him. Even so, it's just not my favorite option due to what I think the cost would be. The Helleson, Donskoi, 2021 pick would be fine, and your proposal would be too, but I'm not sure either gets it done. Timmins is a no go.