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Improving on an already great squad and long term look

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Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 22, 2020
Published: Jul. 22, 2020
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Palat makes line 2 a very solid offensive line, but an even better line defensively. If Bryam isn’t ready Cole takes his spot and if Timmins isn’t ready Holzer takes his spot, although I don’t see that happening. Bowers, Bellmare Jost can split time on line 3 until Bowers is fully ready, in which case Jost will be traded for some picks. Next season the cap freed up with Cole and Calvert going to FA clear up space to resign Landeskog. Trade Johnson before next season, if needed add Kaut or a pick to sweeten the pot to take his contract. Donskoi can be traded and move Nichiskin up to line 3. Use this money to resign Makar and Grubs. 2021-22 will look like:

Landeskog-MacKinnon-Rantanen
Burakovsky-Kadri-Palat
Nichushkin-Bowers-Compher
(Placeholder)-(Placeholder)-Calvert

Graves-Makar
Girard-Timmins
Byram-(Placeholder)

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Free Agent Signings
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6$4,500,000
3$2,000,000
2$1,800,000
1$2,000,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$925,000
2$850,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$900,000
1$700,000
Trades
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  1. 2021 2nd round pick (COL)
2.
COL
  1. Barron, Morgan [Reserve List]
  2. Nieves, Cristoval [RFA Rights]
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Kamenev, Vladislav [RFA Rights]
  2. Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]
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2020
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2021
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2022
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23$81,500,000$77,529,762$0$5,150,000$3,970,238
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LW, C
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UFA - 1
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$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 5
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RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
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RW
UFA - 3
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C
UFA - 1
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C, RW
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UFA - 3
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RD
UFA - 1
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$3,333,333$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 7
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
LD/RD
RFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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C, LW
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C
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Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:09 p.m.
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Value for NYR is decent but the upside of Barron and our thin C depth sway us away from this deal. I do like Zadorov tho and feel he would be a nice fit with NYR.
Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
Value for NYR is decent but the upside of Barron and our thin C depth sway us away from this deal. I do like Zadorov tho and feel he would be a nice fit with NYR.


Barron could be switched with another prospect if need be. Not sure exactly who it would be though
Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:20 p.m.
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I was wondering about Palat as well. His contract is done in a couple years so if it doesn't work out you can let him walk, it helps tampa's cap crunch so you could probily get him for cheap, like you've done. I don't watch tampa play enough to really know how he would fit with the roster though.
Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:23 p.m.
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Barron could be switched with another prospect if need be. Not sure exactly who it would be though


Depends what COL is looking for. I'd do Pajuniemi. Stud winger in Liiga I believe.
Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:24 p.m.
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Depends what COL is looking for. I'd do Pajuniemi. Stud winger in Liiga I believe.


I think someone can be done with Lias Andersson, depending on if he would be willing to report to the Eagles if he doesnt make the team out of camp, I know that is his issue with the Rangers but could be a different story if he is on a deeper cup team.

Zads and Kam for Andersson and a 2nd?
Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:27 p.m.
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I think someone can be done with Lias Andersson, depending on if he would be willing to report to the Eagles if he doesnt make the team out of camp, I know that is his issue with the Rangers but could be a different story if he is on a deeper cup team.

Zads and Kam for Andersson and a 2nd?


I’m a fan of that. Andersson can take 2021-22 placeholder for 4C
Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
Depends what COL is looking for. I'd do Pajuniemi. Stud winger in Liiga I believe.


That could work, but I’m a huge fan of the Andersson idea now
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Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:31 p.m.
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Barron won't get moved until NYR have given him a look. Drop him from the deal and adjust accordingly
Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:31 p.m.
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For 21-22 you are missing huge pieces in Newhook, Kaut and Bowers. All 3 will be with the Avs by 21-22, Kaut and Bowers sooner. Also Palat makes me go meh, I think you achieve better results chasing a more offensive oriented winger like Saad, or even Hoffman. But solid ACGM, nice job.
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Jul. 22, 2020 at 5:59 p.m.
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For 21-22 you are missing huge pieces in Newhook, Kaut and Bowers. All 3 will be with the Avs by 21-22, Kaut and Bowers sooner. Also Palat makes me go meh, I think you achieve better results chasing a more offensive oriented winger like Saad, or even Hoffman. But solid ACGM, nice job.


Saad would cost a 1st+ to acquire, and Hoffman would need term. Neither of which are particularly attractive options.

Palat would fit this team really well, both on the ice and with that contract.
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Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:08 p.m.
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This is a pretty solid roster attempt. As Xqb15 mentioned though you're missing Kaut in your 2020/21 roster, and Newhook and Kaut from your 2021/22 roster in the description. You also forgot to factor in a Seattle pick, which will likely be one of Compher or Donskoi.

Bowers is still a year away from the NHL. He was struggling a bit at C this season so Cronin (the Eagles coach) moved him to LW for a bit and that's when he started to find his offence. I still think he'll be a C long-term, but he'll need some more seasoning in the AHL before making the NHL.
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
Value for NYR is decent but the upside of Barron and our thin C depth sway us away from this deal. I do like Zadorov tho and feel he would be a nice fit with NYR.


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Barron could be switched with another prospect if need be. Not sure exactly who it would be though


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Barron won't get moved until NYR have given him a look. Drop him from the deal and adjust accordingly


Interesting fact for you guys:

Matthew Stienburg who was Colorado's 3rd round pick last year (#63 overall) is really good friends with Morgan Barron and his family. In interviews Stienburg has spoken about modelling his game after Barron and following the same career path, which is why he went to the same school and also headed to Cornell. Colorado reached on Stienburg a bit taking him higher than he was ranked in the draft primarily because they felt that Rangers would be interested in him too. Stienburg is a really high-character guy and I'm sure Sakic would be thrilled to add Barron via trade for that reason too. Re-uniting some character guys with strong friendships is a really good way to build a strong lockerroom after all.

In term of on-ice performance, Barron looks like he could develop into quite a solid bottom 6 C, but that probably makes NYR less inclined to trade him rather than LHD's for example, given that C is quite a weak position organisationally. I guess that could change at this years draft though as Rangers should be able to pick someone like Lapierre or Mercer where they're picking.
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:18 p.m.
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Interesting fact for you guys:

Matthew Stienburg who was Colorado's 3rd round pick last year (#63 overall) is really good friends with Morgan Barron and his family. In interviews Stienburg has spoken about modelling his game after Barron and following the same career path, which is why he went to the same school and also headed to Cornell. Colorado reached on Stienburg a bit taking him higher than he was ranked in the draft primarily because they felt that Rangers would be interested in him too. Stienburg is a really high-character guy and I'm sure Sakic would be thrilled to add Barron via trade for that reason too. Re-uniting some character guys with strong friendships is a really good way to build a strong lockerroom after all.

In term of on-ice performance, Barron looks like he could develop into quite a solid bottom 6 C, but that probably makes NYR less inclined to trade him rather than LHD's for example, given that C is quite a weak position organisationally. I guess that could change at this years draft though as Rangers should be able to pick someone like Lapierre or Mercer where they're picking.


Chance of NYR trading Barron are very slim. Chance of him choosing to sign with Colorado and opt that collegiate loophole, is higher.
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Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:23 p.m.
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I think someone can be done with Lias Andersson, depending on if he would be willing to report to the Eagles if he doesnt make the team out of camp, I know that is his issue with the Rangers but could be a different story if he is on a deeper cup team.

Zads and Kam for Andersson and a 2nd?


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I’m a fan of that. Andersson can take 2021-22 placeholder for 4C


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That could work, but I’m a huge fan of the Andersson idea now


Interesting idea. I could get onboard with that, on the assumption that Lias is fine with biding his time in the AHL for one season until Calvert and Bellemare head to UFA in 2021. In Landeskog we also have the perfect role model for Anderson to help him settle and get his game back on track.

Landeskog ----- Mackinnon ---- Rantanen
Burakovsky ------- Kadri --------- New top 6 fwd
Nichuskin -------- Newhook ---- Compher
Bowers ----------- Anderson ---- Kaut

That would be a pretty solid and youthful 4th line for sure, and it would be worth a gamble from Colorado's perspective as the secondary piece in the return for Zadorov.
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:23 p.m.
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That could work, but I’m a huge fan of the Andersson idea now


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I think someone can be done with Lias Andersson, depending on if he would be willing to report to the Eagles if he doesnt make the team out of camp, I know that is his issue with the Rangers but could be a different story if he is on a deeper cup team.

Zads and Kam for Andersson and a 2nd?


I know Lias Andersson is an HR nightmare, appears to be a bust, and seems to be disenchanted in New York, but that builds on what I said earlier. Rangers need to sit on all their C prospects until they have options. Rangers have Zibanejad who is our top C but is pushing 30 years of age. Pool consists of Chytil in the NHL, Barron, Henriksson, and a few lower tier guys. That is dangerously thin group for any organization. Trading Lias would decimate it. That is a main reason I have NYR reaching on Marat Khustnutdinov with CAR's pick who projects to be in early 30s.

So I'm saying the value of the deal is good but it just isn't an organizational need considering NYR's abundance of LHD coming and paper-thin C group. Zadorov would be a good fit now but isn't a long term fixture when Miller is 100% ready, Zac Jones, Matthew Robertson, and Tarmo Reunanen start pushing for spots.
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
I know Lias Andersson is an HR nightmare, appears to be a bust, and seems to be disenchanted in New York, but that builds on what I said earlier. Rangers need to sit on all their C prospects until they have options. Rangers have Zibanejad who is our top C but is pushing 30 years of age. Pool consists of Chytil in the NHL, Barron, Henriksson, and a few lower tier guys. That is dangerously thin group for any organization. Trading Lias would decimate it. That is a main reason I have NYR reaching on Marat Khustnutdinov with CAR's pick who projects to be in early 30s.

So I'm saying the value of the deal is good but it just isn't an organizational need considering NYR's abundance of LHD coming and paper-thin C group. Zadorov would be a good fit now but isn't a long term fixture when Miller is 100% ready, Zac Jones, Matthew Robertson, and Tarmo Reunanen start pushing for spots.


The longer Anderson is over in Sweden the more his value will drop, so NYR are better off trading him this offseason. He's clearly not a good fit with the organisation, so it's better to move on.

Rangers C depth might be a bit thin, but it's far from a desperate situation the way you paint it. They have two mid-1st's at the draft this year and could easily select 2 of Lapierre, Mercer, Bourque, or Khusnutdinov, and then suddenly there's no problem anymore. Alternatively they could solve that shortage with a trade or two. For example, Colorado would be glad to include Jost in a trade if you add the relevant value on the other side in picks/prospects. Alternatively you could simply sign an UFA like Haula if you need to.
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:31 p.m.
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The longer Anderson is over in Sweden the more his value will drop, so NYR are better off trading him this offseason. He's clearly not a good fit with the organisation, so it's better to move on.

Rangers C depth might be a bit thin, but it's far from a desperate situation the way you paint it. They have two mid-1st's at the draft this year and could easily select 2 of Lapierre, Mercer, Bourque, or Khusnutdinov, and then suddenly there's no problem anymore. Alternatively they could solve that shortage with a trade or two. For example, Colorado would be glad to include Jost in a trade if you add the relevant value on the other side in picks/prospects. Alternatively you could simply sign an UFA like Haula if you need to.


I'd include Lias in a Jost deal. Any chance on Bowers or Kaut in a deal and what that would cost?
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:41 p.m.
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I'd include Lias in a Jost deal. Any chance on Bowers or Kaut in a deal and what that would cost?


Jost and Zadorov are each worth about a 2nd + 3rd. If you can find a good balance of picks + Lias/other prospects I'd be happy to trade you Jost and Zadorov as a package and solve both your needs.

I'm not keen on moving Bowers or Kaut, unless it's as part of a package for a top 6 forward (eg. Rakell).
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:43 p.m.
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Sorry to say but Chartier is retired due to concussions. He was a solid prospect for the Sharks though.
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:43 p.m.
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Rangers decline.
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:49 p.m.
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I'd include Lias in a Jost deal. Any chance on Bowers or Kaut in a deal and what that would cost?


only way they move Kaut is if they are working on a deal to get Buch
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Jul. 22, 2020 at 7:00 p.m.
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only way they move Kaut is if they are working on a deal to get Buch


Well that kills it lol.
Jul. 22, 2020 at 7:06 p.m.
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Well that kills it lol.


Oh I know. Buch is super valuable to the ranger. Kaut is highly regarded in the org and if he didn’t have a elc slide he would be on this playoffs team

Only way they move him In a package is for a legit top 6 winger who is still in their rfa years
Jul. 22, 2020 at 7:08 p.m.
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Oh I know. Buch is super valuable to the ranger. Kaut is highly regarded in the org and if he didn’t have a elc slide he would be on this playoffs team

Only way they move him In a package is for a legit top 6 winger who is still in their rfa years


Makes sense. Is Kaut a natural RW or C?
Jul. 22, 2020 at 7:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
Makes sense. Is Kaut a natural RW or C?


RW.

He's taken some draws on the PP but that's about it for his C duties. He's a natural RW.
 
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