Nope Detroit could've had Baertschi for free on waivers and declined. Only player Detroit wants from Vancouver right now is Thatcher Demko they're heavily interested in him.

Nope Detroit could've had Baertschi for free on waivers and declined. Only player Detroit wants from Vancouver right now is Thatcher Demko they're heavily interested in him.

Wings won't accept cap dumps unless 1st/2nd rd picks are attached to them

Correct, and this time they're getting him for free PLUS picks...a 3rd and 4th is generous and something Detroit should take in my opinion (and I'm a Wings fan). His contract isn't outrageous and it's only for a year (unlike a guy such as Eriksson as example). If he's terrible, place him in the minors of course, and you still gained some picks. With that being said though, I still think he could still help the team as an extra or 4th liner type player.

Why? For a player like Eriksson absolutely...I don't get Wings fans saying things like this though. Baertschi's contract isn't crazy and if you can gain a 3rd and a 4th, perhaps something even a little more I would take that all day. And for the record, I am a huge Wings fan. I feel like that's beyond fair for an expiring contract at just over 3m.

There's a big difference between taking on a cap dump on waivers, and taking on a cap dump via trade when you get a couple of decent assets attached. I think Yzerman would do this trade for the extra assets, even if he'd just bury Baertschi in the AHL for 1 year.

Also, it could be any team taking on this capdump, doesn't necessarily have to be Detroit.

Yeah it's a pretty fair deal. Maybe it would even be 2 3rd's rather than 3rd + 4th. Either way though I think a GM with extra capspace would take this. I'd do it myself from a Colorado perspective if we have like $3-4m going spare this offseason. He's showed this season in the AHL with PPG pace that he can still be a useful piece in the organisation, and I wouldn't mind adding a forward like that to our AHL team to help spark some of our prospects. Baertschi next to Bowers at C could help him unlock some offense for example.

Because 3m is still decent chunk of money for bottom 6 fwd ..hes another Darren helm basically..wings won't add another bad contract unless a team sweetened the deal to do so & 3rd rd picks aren't enough to waste cap space in this new tight cap era for next 3 years +.. Cap space is GOLD..

canucks decline over payment.imo

Honestly I think it’s an overpayment and Detroit would be 100% in the wrong not accepting it. It’s two free draft picks and a roster player that would make that line up. People expect tooo much in cap dumping trades it’s very silly at times assuming you’ll get high end picks that doesn’t happen.

Capspace is going to be more valuable than usual this offseason so I think you're going to be in for a surprise if you think this is an overpayment. The prices Tampa paid for capfriendly contracts illustrate the tremendous value of capspace.

Cap space IS gold, but Detroit are going to have oceans of unused capspace this offseason so it makes perfect sense to weaponise it to pick up some extra assets.

Agreed 100%!!

THANK YOU!

we are not gonna give up two picks for sven.WE ARE NOT giving our players and high picks away period.in jim we trust.

Absolutely it is, I still think that would be fair value though. In my mind they're not wasting the cap space this year. This contract is for 1 year so they're not looking 2 or 3 years down the road in this trade. They have so much cap space, would you rather just let it sit there or use a smaller chunk of it to get assets? All I'm really saying is that I think sometimes people are over-valuing what a cap dump is worth. Again, were not talking contracts like Eriksson which should have a 1st attached to it, I just mean lower-tired contracts/players.

very well put. some folks are getting a bit carried naway with this cap dump stuff.we have toiled in the bottem of the league while we rebuilt now we have restocked we ARE NOT JUST GONNA GIVE AWAY OUR ASSETS JIM HAS OPTIONS

Don’t listen to that guy, his opinions don’t match up with most Red Wings fans. The trade looks to be fair, the only way the Wings decline is if other desperate teams are willing to give up more or if the Wings choose to take on larger contracts for more compensation

The contract is only 2.4M vs 3.36M cap hit which is actually nice with the reduction of revenue. Instead of 3+4 I’d try to add a mid round pick from Detroit to get a 2nd or add a little more for Demko if Vancouver goes with Markstrom. The problem though is really the following year with Vancouver so they really need to shed Eriksson.

With a flat cap the number of players teams are trying to dump is going too far exceed the amount of players teams can take on as cap dumps. So the cost of a cap dump is going to go up. If the cap is going to stay pretty flat for a couple of seasons that's going to raise the cost of a cap dump even more. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Those are my thoughts too man! They simply have to go with the best offer they get but yes I could definitely see Detroit going after a bigger contract as well for more assets.

I'm pretty happy that the Wings have so much cap space. The flat cap could end up being something that really helps our rebuild.

I think I've seen 20+ acceptable cap dumps on Cap Friendly over the last couple months, probably more. The Red Wings will likely have around 10 mil, maybe 15 mil at most to take on cap dumps. That's room for about 2-3 cap dumps. I think there will end up being a bidding war with Yzerman accepting the top few offers. Teams that are really desperate are going to have to outbid other teams and only the teams willing to pay the most will get cap relief.

Toronto paid a 1st to get rid of a $6m / 1 year caphit and Marleau was/is better than Baertschi. I figure that a 3rd + 4th would be reasonable for a $2.3m buried salary / $3.3m NHL aav.

Vancouver don't need to shed Eriksson until 2021. For 2020/21 they should be fine if they just find a taker for Baertschi. If they want to push for a better RHD via trade/UFA they could also trade Sutter even with some retention if necessary as that could open up another $2-3m.

I agree. I think 3rd + 4th is actually a pretty modest price to get rid of $2.3m in dead capspace. It could easily go quite a bit higher than that as teams will be paying a premium for capspace to try to squeeze in not only their own RFA's, but also to try to take advantage of a cheap UFA market.