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Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 23, 2020
Published: Jul. 23, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
2020 1st Overall Pick - Alexis Lafreniere
2020 28th Overall Pick (COL) - Topi Niemela

Note: Tatar trade has an extension included.
2021 4th Overall Pick - Brandt Clarke
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
3$865,000
3$850,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$5,750,000
2$2,750,000
4$2,500,000
3$2,250,000
2$1,000,000
2$1,875,000
3$1,875,000
3$975,000
3$1,175,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$6,000,000
4$7,000,000
2$5,750,000
2$1,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Lafreniere, Alexis
3$925,000
Niemela, Topi
3$925,000
Clarke, Brandt
3$925,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Timmins, Conor [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 1st round pick (COL)
COL
    Tomas Tatar
    2.
    MTL
    1. Zavgorodny, Dmitri
    2. 2021 2nd round pick (CGY)
    CGY
      Joel Armia
      Buried
      DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
      2020
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      2021
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      2022
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      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
      23$84,500,000$77,178,037$597,561$1,175,000$7,321,963
      Left WingCentreRight Wing
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      $5,750,000$5,750,000
      C, RW
      UFA - 1
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      $6,000,000$6,000,000
      C
      UFA - 6
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      $7,000,000$7,000,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 6
      Lafreniere, Alexis
      $925,000$925,000
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      $2,250,000$2,250,000
      C
      UFA - 1
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      $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
      C
      UFA - 1
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      $5,500,000$5,500,000
      LW, RW
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      UFA - 2
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      $1,875,000$1,875,000
      C, LW
      UFA - 2
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      $925,000$925,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 2
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      $3,400,000$3,400,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 2
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      $1,000,000$1,000,000
      C
      UFA - 1
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      $2,750,000$2,750,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 1
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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      $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
      LD
      RFA - 1
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      $7,857,143$7,857,143
      RD
      UFA - 5
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      $10,500,000$10,500,000
      G
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      UFA - 5
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      $1,750,000$1,750,000
      LD/RD
      M-NTC
      UFA - 1
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      $5,750,000$5,750,000
      RD
      UFA - 4
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      $880,833$880,833
      G
      RFA - 1
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      $2,500,000$2,500,000
      LD/RD
      UFA - 1
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      $1,875,000$1,875,000
      RD
      RFA - 1
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $795,000$795,000
      C
      UFA - 1
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      $865,000$865,000
      LD
      RFA - 3
      $1,175,000$1,175,000
      RD
      RFA - 2

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      Jul. 23, 2020 at 10:38 a.m.
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      Lol. No. You're not getting a top-4 defensemen and a 1st for a rental. Keep wishing
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      Jul. 23, 2020 at 10:40 a.m.
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      Certainly nothing wrong with the value in the Flames trade. A solid middle 6 forward for a mid level prospect and a 2nd. It also fills a position of need for the Flames.

      Would the Flames do it? I guess it depends on whether or not they believe they can get Armia signed to a palatable extension and also on how they feel about little Z and where he fits going forward.

      Comes down to the Flames trying to figure where either player will be in 3 years time, and which scenario they would rather have.
      Jul. 23, 2020 at 10:46 a.m.
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      would yall like to also add a cap dump for another 1st or 2nd with that remaining 5M?
      Jul. 23, 2020 at 10:51 a.m.
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      For Timmins and a 1st, COL can get much better return than one yr rental of 30y/o Tatar
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      Jul. 23, 2020 at 11:48 a.m.
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      Sakic wouldn't even trade Timmins + 1st for Hall last year, no way he does it for Tatar.

      I'd MUCH rather have Timmins and Niemela locking down our RHD going forwards than 1 year of Tatar. Not even close.
      Jul. 23, 2020 at 1:15 p.m.
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      Avs pass,

      Would Montreal trade Romanov and a 1st in this scenario? No
      Ok now you understand
      Jul. 23, 2020 at 2:17 p.m.
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      Habs pass on that Flames deal
      Jul. 23, 2020 at 6:39 p.m.
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      Avs fans clearly #triggered on Timmins, lol.

      I'm looking at your roster, and that season: Timmins is at least starting, if not in the top-4. So, I don't think you'd need to re-up Petry.
      Jul. 25, 2020 at 11:06 a.m.
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      Quoting: Foppa21
      Lol. No. You're not getting a top-4 defensemen and a 1st for a rental. Keep wishing


      Extension included. Sorry I forgot to add that.
      Jul. 25, 2020 at 11:08 a.m.
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      Quoting: Buffsbrain
      would yall like to also add a cap dump for another 1st or 2nd with that remaining 5M?


      They'd need to sign Suzuki next year but if we let Petry walk instead of resigning him we would take a cap dump.
      Jul. 25, 2020 at 11:09 a.m.
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      Quoting: McRanteskog
      For Timmins and a 1st, COL can get much better return than one yr rental of 30y/o Tatar


      Extension included
      Jul. 25, 2020 at 11:09 a.m.
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      Quoting: Richard88
      Sakic wouldn't even trade Timmins + 1st for Hall last year, no way he does it for Tatar.

      I'd MUCH rather have Timmins and Niemela locking down our RHD going forwards than 1 year of Tatar. Not even close.


      Extension included
      Jul. 25, 2020 at 11:11 a.m.
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      Quoting: BorisBagel
      Habs pass on that Flames deal


      Armia takes up 2.6M+ at this point and we have plenty of players who could step up and produce similarly for less. The 2nd is somewhat near his value and Zavgorodny has improved a ton since being drafted in the 7th round.
      Jul. 25, 2020 at 11:13 a.m.
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      Quoting: coga16
      Avs pass,

      Would Montreal trade Romanov and a 1st in this scenario? No
      Ok now you understand


      First off, Romanov>>>Timmins and our 1st is much more valuable than Colorado's. Also there would be an extension included, which would make the deal balanced.
      Jul. 25, 2020 at 11:32 a.m.
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      Quoting: Club_de_Hockey_le_Canadien
      First off, Romanov>>>Timmins and our 1st is much more valuable than Colorado's. Also there would be an extension included, which would make the deal balanced.


      LMAO wait what? How is Romanov >>>> Timmins??
      You must be joking?
      Timmins is RHD > LHD
      Timmins has 3” more size
      Timmins is NHL ready right now

      Timmins was 2017 32 OA (just one year and 6 positions ahead of Romanov in 2018 at 38OA).

      Romanov put up a pretty disappointing 11 points in 86 games in the KHL plus 0 points in 8 playoff games.

      What fantasy stat are you using to evaluate Romanov? Cause based on point production, size, NHL readiness, and player handedness, Timmins is ahead
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      Jul. 25, 2020 at 8:26 p.m.
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      Quoting: Club_de_Hockey_le_Canadien
      Extension included


      That improves it a bit. But if we're going to be handing out contracts to 30 year olds I'd rather get someone in UFA than giving up valuable futures.
      Jul. 25, 2020 at 8:30 p.m.
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      Quoting: Club_de_Hockey_le_Canadien
      First off, Romanov>>>Timmins and our 1st is much more valuable than Colorado's. Also there would be an extension included, which would make the deal balanced.


      Timmins got ranked ahead of Romanov in The Athletic's recent drafted prospect rankings (#44 vs #48). Obviously the ranking is just an opinion, but it does suggest that Romanov isn't valued much higher than Timmins, if at all. The fact that Timmins is a RHS also give him a bit of an edge as RHD are harder to find.

      https://theathletic.com/1880791/2020/07/06/wheeler-the-top-50-drafted-nhl-prospects-ranking-2020-edition/
      Jul. 27, 2020 at 7:02 p.m.
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      Quoting: Richard88
      Timmins got ranked ahead of Romanov in The Athletic's recent drafted prospect rankings (#44 vs #48). Obviously the ranking is just an opinion, but it does suggest that Romanov isn't valued much higher than Timmins, if at all. The fact that Timmins is a RHS also give him a bit of an edge as RHD are harder to find.

      https://theathletic.com/1880791/2020/07/06/wheeler-the-top-50-drafted-nhl-prospects-ranking-2020-edition/


      The Athletic may be an exception but I've seen Romanov touted as an elite prospect in many other rankings above Timmins (The Hockey News especially). But that wasn't my point. Romanov is much more valuable to Montreal than Timmins is to Colorado. As a rebuilder, he is one of our best prospect and he will lead our LHD in the future. Whereas Timmins is behind Makar for your LHD and has Helleson there as well and you are a contending team.

      Quoting: McRanteskog
      LMAO wait what? How is Romanov >>>> Timmins??
      You must be joking?
      Timmins is RHD > LHD
      Timmins has 3” more size
      Timmins is NHL ready right now

      Timmins was 2017 32 OA (just one year and 6 positions ahead of Romanov in 2018 at 38OA).

      Romanov put up a pretty disappointing 11 points in 86 games in the KHL plus 0 points in 8 playoff games.

      What fantasy stat are you using to evaluate Romanov? Cause based on point production, size, NHL readiness, and player handedness, Timmins is ahead


      I meant based on how valuable they are to their teams. But I would be willing to try to make a case for Romanov being seen as a better prospect. Romanov is NHL ready now and despite his size he is a very strong player. Playing 2nd pairing minutes in the KHL as producing like that as a defenseman is impressive and not disappointing. He is ready to play in the NHL on a 2nd pairing or higher where Timmins would most likely struggle due to facing weaker competition in the past. Their overall selection at the draft has very little impact on their value as Romanov has proved to be 1st round talent similarly to Timmins. Keep in mind Romanov is a year younger than Timmins and is of similar skill.
      Jul. 27, 2020 at 7:32 p.m.
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      Quoting: Club_de_Hockey_le_Canadien
      The Athletic may be an exception but I've seen Romanov touted as an elite prospect in many other rankings above Timmins (The Hockey News especially). But that wasn't my point. Romanov is much more valuable to Montreal than Timmins is to Colorado. As a rebuilder, he is one of our best prospect and he will lead our LHD in the future. Whereas Timmins is behind Makar for your LHD and has Helleson there as well and you are a contending team.

      I meant based on how valuable they are to their teams. But I would be willing to try to make a case for Romanov being seen as a better prospect. Romanov is NHL ready now and despite his size he is a very strong player. Playing 2nd pairing minutes in the KHL as producing like that as a defenseman is impressive and not disappointing. He is ready to play in the NHL on a 2nd pairing or higher where Timmins would most likely struggle due to facing weaker competition in the past. Their overall selection at the draft has very little impact on their value as Romanov has proved to be 1st round talent similarly to Timmins. Keep in mind Romanov is a year younger than Timmins and is of similar skill.


      Fair argument about Romanov being more valuable to Montreal than Timmins to Colorado. Montreal have no top 4 LHD of note, so they are desperate for Romanov to turn into that. Colorado need a top 4 RHD replacement for Johnson, but that situation isn't as acute as Montreal's need for LHD.

      That said, the fact that Romanov is NHL ready isn't an advantage over Timmins because he is also NHL ready. In fact, Coach Bednar apparently wanted to play him right after he was drafted but he got concussed. And then last season he made the team out of camp and played 2 games and did very well, but they decided it was better for him to play 1st pairing minute in the AHL for 1 season rather than a sheltered role on a stacked blueline in the NHL. He's going to surprise a lot of people when he starts playing regularly, really good Dman who may jump straight into playing at a top 4 level.
      Jul. 29, 2020 at 11:03 p.m.
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      Quoting: Richard88
      Fair argument about Romanov being more valuable to Montreal than Timmins to Colorado. Montreal have no top 4 LHD of note, so they are desperate for Romanov to turn into that. Colorado need a top 4 RHD replacement for Johnson, but that situation isn't as acute as Montreal's need for LHD.

      That said, the fact that Romanov is NHL ready isn't an advantage over Timmins because he is also NHL ready. In fact, Coach Bednar apparently wanted to play him right after he was drafted but he got concussed. And then last season he made the team out of camp and played 2 games and did very well, but they decided it was better for him to play 1st pairing minute in the AHL for 1 season rather than a sheltered role on a stacked blueline in the NHL. He's going to surprise a lot of people when he starts playing regularly, really good Dman who may jump straight into playing at a top 4 level.


      You think he'll be a potential Calder candidate?
      Jul. 30, 2020 at 7:04 a.m.
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      Quoting: Club_de_Hockey_le_Canadien
      You think he'll be a potential Calder candidate?


      Not in a year with Laf, Kaprizov, Sorokin, etc
       
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