I kinda love this one. The team adds to the core with Cirelli and gets some picks back by moving Compher, Donskoi, and Zadorov. Two firsts in this draft would be better than one in each of 2020 and 2021, so that's a win too. Sign me up for Lapierre and O'Rourke.
The expansion draft gets a little weird, as the team basically needs to let Kadri go. They have already replaced him with Cirelli though, so it's not the biggest deal. Newhook either goes directly to 2C or Cirelli (maybe even Jost if he breaks out) moves up and Newhook starts on the third line. Either way is fine, and I love the options.
The team still has a couple million in cap space after raises to Landeskog, Makar, and Grubauer and can use it on an extension for Calvert if they want. Or it just allows for some breathing room going forward.
Only Bowers will need a raise before the flat cap era ends, and I doubt that will be crushing. Maybe Calvert only gets one more year to give flexibility.
Why though? We already have Kadri as the 2C with Newhook primed to take that spot once Kadri's contract expires. A 2nd line winger would be a much better target imo
Why though? We already have Kadri as the 2C with Newhook primed to take that spot once Kadri's contract expires. A 2nd line winger would be a much better target imo
Because you get a 23 year old perennial Selke candidate. Kadri is about to turn 30.
I also signed Toffoli, so they do both. Basically they still sign a wing and get 7 years younger at 2/3C.
Why though? We already have Kadri as the 2C with Newhook primed to take that spot once Kadri's contract expires. A 2nd line winger would be a much better target imo
^ This.
COL are already primed for a smooth transition at C with Kadri here now until Newhook is ready to take over (with Bowers falling in behind Newhook hopefully). COL needs a 2nd line winger which they can get at free agency without forfeiting a 1st + 2nd + 3rd picks
I don't think NJ would give up a mid-1st in a deep draft for secondary pieces like Compher/Zadorov/3rd.
I think Tampa would easily match a $5.5m AAV OS, and they'd also thank you for saving them the trouble of negotiating with Cirelli on their behalf.
I'm not overly keen on Lapierre btw. He has great vision, but something about him just seems soft. Maybe it's the fact that he's just so damn scared to shoot the puck. He gives me Kerfoot vibes, so I'd pass on him. There's better alternatives at that pick in the draft who also don't have the health risks.
I don't think NJ would give up a mid-1st in a deep draft for secondary pieces like Compher/Zadorov/3rd.
I think Tampa would easily match a $5.5m AAV OS, and they'd also thank you for saving them the trouble of negotiating with Cirelli on their behalf.
I'm not overly keen on Lapierre btw. He has great vision, but something about him just seems soft. Maybe it's the fact that he's just so damn scared to shoot the puck. He gives me Kerfoot vibes, so I'd pass on him. There's better alternatives at that pick in the draft who also don't have the health risks.
Perennial Selke?? My friend, Cirelli has only played 168 NHL games... on a loaded TBL team. Thats two seasons.. calm your expectations a little
I have followed him for a while. He's very good, getting better, and a guy who has elevated his game in big situations. This is the type of guy the Avs lack at C. He's Kadri but younger, better defensively, and a better fit for when Newhook takes over 2C.
Why though? We already have Kadri as the 2C with Newhook primed to take that spot once Kadri's contract expires. A 2nd line winger would be a much better target imo
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Because you get a 23 year old perennial Selke candidate. Kadri is about to turn 30.
I also signed Toffoli, so they do both. Basically they still sign a wing and get 7 years younger at 2/3C.
Quoting: McRanteskog
^ This.
COL are already primed for a smooth transition at C with Kadri here now until Newhook is ready to take over (with Bowers falling in behind Newhook hopefully). COL needs a 2nd line winger which they can get at free agency without forfeiting a 1st + 2nd + 3rd picks
Mark me down as being onboard with a Cirelli OS. Yeah we have Newhook on the way, but that shouldn't rule us out from acquiring a Selke level C if he can be had at $5.5m x 7 years.
Newhook is clearly a C, but Avs do have a history of starting prospects out on the wing (eg. Duchene, O'Reilly, Jost, etc) so I think our transition plan would be fine.
2020/21:
Mackinnon
Kadri
Cirelli
Bellemare
2021/22
Mackinnon
Kadri
Cirelli --- Newhook at LW on 2nd or 3rd line.
Bowers
2022/23
Mackinnon
Newhook
Cirelli
Bowers
$5.5m might seem like a lot for a 3C, but keep in mind that NYI have Pageau making $5m. Once the cap rises again that $5.5m is going to look great, especially given what Cirelli brings to the table. We'd have the best C depth in the league bar none.
I have followed him for a while. He's very good, getting better, and a guy who has elevated his game in big situations. This is the type of guy the Avs lack at C. He's Kadri but younger, better defensively, and a better fit for when Newhook takes over 2C.
In no way am i trying to say he wont develop into a franchise cornerstone top 6 forward type player.
Im just thinking 160 games is too small a sample size to start labeling a player a perennial Selke guy.
Theres no doubt he would fit in COL, heck, hes probably a good fit on 25+ teams in this league right now.
Perennial Selke?? My friend, Cirelli has only played 168 NHL games... on a loaded TBL team. Thats two seasons.. calm your expectations a little
Cirelli belongs in the conversation among the top 5 in the Selke this year already (Bergeron, Couturier, O'Reilly, Danault, Cirelli), and he's only 22. He's going to be in that conversation for years to come, even more so as the other guys get into their 30's.
I don't think NJ would give up a mid-1st in a deep draft for secondary pieces like Compher/Zadorov/3rd.
I think Tampa would easily match a $5.5m AAV OS, and they'd also thank you for saving them the trouble of negotiating with Cirelli on their behalf.
I'm not overly keen on Lapierre btw. He has great vision, but something about him just seems soft. Maybe it's the fact that he's just so damn scared to shoot the puck. He gives me Kerfoot vibes, so I'd pass on him. There's better alternatives at that pick in the draft who also don't have the health risks.
They might not. Three picks and a deep pool means they may be willing though.
I don't think Tampa can match unless they move Sergachev. No one is clamouring to take Gourde or Palat, and I doubt they're in a hurry to waive their NTCs.
Agree to disagree on Lapierre. I'd be thrilled to take him. High floor and high ceiling. Only concern is the injuries for me.
Mark me down as being onboard with a Cirelli OS. Yeah we have Newhook on the way, but that shouldn't rule us out from acquiring a Selke level C if he can be had at $5.5m x 7 years.
Newhook is clearly a C, but Avs do have a history of starting prospects out on the wing (eg. Duchene, O'Reilly, Jost, etc) so I think our transition plan would be fine.
2020/21:
Mackinnon
Kadri
Cirelli
2021/22
Mackinnon
Kadri
Cirelli --- Newhook at LW on 2nd or 3rd line.
2021/22
Mackinnon
Newhook
Cirelli
$5.5m might seem like a lot for a 3C, but keep in mind that NYI have Pageau making $5m. Once the cap rises again that $5.5m is going to look great, especially given what Cirelli brings to the table. We'd have the best C depth in the league bar none.
Ive never been big on Bowers.. where does he slot in ?
In no way am i trying to say he wont develop into a franchise cornerstone top 6 forward type player.
Im just thinking 160 games is too small a sample size to start labeling a player a perennial Selke guy.
Theres no doubt he would fit in COL, heck, hes probably a good fit on 25+ teams in this league right now.
Ive never been big on Bowers.. where does he slot in ?
I edited my post before you replied lol.... Check again to see Bowers slotted in as 4C. His natural position is C, but this season Cronin (Eagles coach) moved him to LW and he found some offense there, so he could also play on the wing if we needed him to.
Sevens years at that price is probably a no go for Cirelli. TB trade Killorn and matches....
Tampa would need to trade more than Killorn to be able to match. One of TJ, Gourde, or Palat needs to go. I think they do find a way to move Gourde at the draft.
Cirelli belongs in the conversation among the top 5 in the Selke this year already (Bergeron, Couturier, O'Reilly, Danault, Cirelli), and he's only 22. He's going to be in that conversation for years to come, even more so as the other guys get into their 30's.
Again, havent seen enough to label Cirelli "perennial"
Youll see the likes of Bergeron a few more times, O'Reilly a bunch, Couturier a ton, Barkov a few times, what about Monahan? Kopitar and Toews might have one or two more in them.
The point is, 3 get nominated and it gets very crowded very close to the top.
Tampa would need to trade more than Killorn to be able to match. One of TJ, Gourde, or Palat needs to go. I think they do find a way to move Gourde at the draft.
I'm not sure they can move Gourde. If they enter free agency with all those guys still on the roster and are lowballing their RFAs, I would be all over this. I love having too many Cs and think it would be huge to basically make Kadri 7 years younger.
Okay, the NJ trade is a pipe dream. But that's a secondary part of this agm.
I think he would be a solid pick up but i think we'd have to move newhook or bowers just because of too many centers. None of them belong 4th line and will be more valuable center than wing. It would be nice to have someone really reliable to throw out there to match the other teams top players. I think kadri might even slide to 3C and get more offensive zone starts and cirelli getting the majority of d zone draws
I think he would be a solid pick up but i think we'd have to move newhook or bowers just because of too many centers. None of them belong 4th line and will be more valuable center than wing. It would be nice to have someone really reliable to throw out there to match the other teams top players. I think kadri might even slide to 3C and get more offensive zone starts and cirelli getting the majority of d zone draws
I think there is definitely room for Newhook. Bowers gets squeezed a bit, but it's worth it (imo).
I have a few slight reservations about the team:
1. Newhook may not be an impact guy right from the start
2. How long can Kadri play at a high level
3. Does the team have a good shut down line that would complement their scoring ability
Cirell addresses all of those, which is why I like this a lot.
Still a lot of unknowns regarding if this is even plausible. It might be my favorite off season scenario though.
Yes by losing Kadri to Seattle. I put the outlook in the description. I found the team could even bring back Calvert.
I don't see why you'd have to lose Kadri to Seattle. Just expose Compher and Donskoi. You can trade Kadri if you want.
If we sign Cirelli I don't think we can afford Toffoli going forwards. And honestly with Kadri-Cirelli down the middle I'm not sure Toffoli is that big of a need. We'd have Nichuskin/Donskoi/Burakovsky/Compher/Kaut as the middle 6 forwards which would be fine. Along with some extra capspace to pick up a deadline rental like Namestnikov again (eg. Marcus Johansson).
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