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Jul. 24, 2020 at 9:25 p.m.
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Jul. 24, 2020 at 9:30 p.m.
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Anything but analytics does not work for this organization. A big market like Toronto, you want to get paid as much as you can since it is the hockey "Mecca" of the world. A small market like Colorado, you are there to win.


That's why you need a GM that can be a bit shrewd in contract negotiations. Which Dubas clearly isn't.
Jul. 24, 2020 at 9:30 p.m.
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I don't post articles, but why can't the rest of the Leafs have as much heart as Clifford? I hope Dubas brings this guy back.

https://thecanadian.news/2020/07/24/kyle-clifford-looking-forward-to-unleashing-physical-side-once-maple-leafs-square-off-with-jackets/?feed_id=21411&_unique_id=5f1b74e03c66b
Jul. 24, 2020 at 9:44 p.m.
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Yeah absolutely, I think he was even the creator of some sort of stats company but most of his moves have been anti analytics. Trading away young guys who dont make much for guys who are declining and generally overpaid. Bad ufa signings and not targeting "analytics darling" of sorts. Most of his moves have been very risky with not a whole lot of upside


I do think he made good/great moves... Schmaltz comes to mind, Golihoski also does... he really was the perfect mentor for Chychrun IMO
Jul. 24, 2020 at 10:07 p.m.
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Jul. 24, 2020 at 10:12 p.m.
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I do think he made good/great moves... Schmaltz comes to mind, Golihoski also does... he really was the perfect mentor for Chychrun IMO


Goligoski isnt bad but he isnt really worth 5+ million. At the time signing a 30 year old defensemen who just came off a career year to a long term deal isnt exactly analytics friendly. Trading Domi who had solid upside for Galchenyuk who was never really that good wasnt really smart. The Kessel trade was extremely risky. They had Kessels favorite coach but hes been an empty calorie scorer who relied heavily on Pittsburgh's pp that had Crosby, Malkin and letang.

He has done some good things like the goaltending and I really like chychrun but most of his moves have been extremely risky. Analytics are used to eliminate as much of any potential risk as possible. That's why people talk about corsi and xG% so much, when you're in a playoff series and arent able to do anything gm's will want to eliminate any sort of risk while giving themselves even the slightest bit of an advantage. The majority of Chayka's moves have been very risky like his RFA signings. Moving DeAngelo, A top 10 pick, Duclair and a few other younger pieces for older guys with very little upside arent Moneyball type moves
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Jul. 25, 2020 at 1:01 p.m.
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You guys realize Chayka's "analytics' are essentially not what they think they are
Jul. 25, 2020 at 1:20 p.m.
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You guys realize Chayka's "analytics' are essentially not what they think they are


This is CF. They don't have a ****ing clue about anything
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Jul. 25, 2020 at 2:01 p.m.
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Than you should make better ones wink
Jul. 25, 2020 at 2:16 p.m.
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The only thing Matthew's can do better than Eichel is goal scoring so chill dude. If I had to pick on of the two to build my franchise around. It would be Eichel. He's more team oriented and a more complete player. Not going to break my bank.


Yup, I could understand that perspective. I would take Matthews but that’s just my bias.
Jul. 25, 2020 at 2:16 p.m.
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The only thing Matthew's can do better than Eichel is goal scoring so chill dude. If I had to pick on of the two to build my franchise around. It would be Eichel. He's more team oriented and a more complete player. Not going to break my bank.


Yup, I could understand that perspective. I would take Matthews but that’s just my bias.
Jul. 25, 2020 at 2:35 p.m.
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this topic is pretty much the meta on leafs discussions
Jul. 26, 2020 at 10:26 a.m.
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The only thing Matthew's can do better than Eichel is goal scoring so chill dude. If I had to pick on of the two to build my franchise around. It would be Eichel. He's more team oriented and a more complete player. Not going to break my bank.


I think you need to take a couple minutes to evaluate exactly how stupid that comment is. Every statistic and eye test humanly possible would indicate how asinine your comment is
Jul. 26, 2020 at 10:48 a.m.
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I think you need to take a couple minutes to evaluate exactly how stupid that comment is. Every statistic and eye test humanly possible would indicate how asinine your comment is


Not really. Eichel is better defensively, better at play making, plays the PK, ect. All while on one of the worst teams in the league. I'm sure you wish it was stupid and asinine.
Jul. 26, 2020 at 11:34 a.m.
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Not really. Eichel is better defensively, better at play making, plays the PK, ect. All while on one of the worst teams in the league. I'm sure you wish it was stupid and asinine.


you answered your own comment dip****... Eichel plays the PK because hes on the worst team in the league... otherwise thered be AHL level 4th liners doing it. ISnt better defensively and doesnt have the shooting skill or the passing vision that Matthews has.. its not even close on whos the better talent
Jul. 26, 2020 at 12:01 p.m.
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you answered your own comment dip****... Eichel plays the PK because hes on the worst team in the league... otherwise thered be AHL level 4th liners doing it. ISnt better defensively and doesnt have the shooting skill or the passing vision that Matthews has.. its not even close on whos the better talent


Lol
Jul. 26, 2020 at 12:02 p.m.
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you answered your own comment dip****... Eichel plays the PK because hes on the worst team in the league... otherwise thered be AHL level 4th liners doing it. ISnt better defensively and doesnt have the shooting skill or the passing vision that Matthews has.. its not even close on whos the better talent


You have a lot to learn my guy
Jul. 27, 2020 at 11:29 a.m.
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That's awful value, also how if JJ a top pairing guy, he's a 6th d-man at best...


Who told you JJ is a 6th defenceman? Over the past 2 seasons he’s been playing 21-22 minutes a night. He hasn’t done good, but that’s mostly because his linemates (Letang & Schultz) play a style that doesn’t support his game at all. Both of them are offensive minded risk takers & leaves Jack out to dry. Jack is a solid 2 way defenceman, but he shouldn’t be the lone shutdown guy. I think alongside someone like Muzzin, he’d do very well. That makes it possible to move Holl with Rielly.
Jul. 27, 2020 at 11:33 a.m.
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I don't post articles, but why can't the rest of the Leafs have as much heart as Clifford? I hope Dubas brings this guy back.

https://thecanadian.news/2020/07/24/kyle-clifford-looking-forward-to-unleashing-physical-side-once-maple-leafs-square-off-with-jackets/?feed_id=21411&_unique_id=5f1b74e03c66b


I think most of the Leafs players, they do work hard & play with high intensity. The guy who I always see floating around looking disinterested is Marner. I think he’s the problem as being one of the top players on the team, he sets the bar for the other players. If they trade him, I feel the overall chemistry within the team will improve.
Jul. 27, 2020 at 11:34 a.m.
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Who told you JJ is a 6th defenceman? Over the past 2 seasons he’s been playing 21-22 minutes a night. He hasn’t done good, but that’s mostly because his linemates (Letang & Schultz) play a style that doesn’t support his game at all. Both of them are offensive minded risk takers & leaves Jack out to dry. Jack is a solid 2 way defenceman, but he shouldn’t be the lone shutdown guy. I think alongside someone like Muzzin, he’d do very well. That makes it possible to move Holl with Rielly.


Johnson can't ply top 4 minutes he does it but it's only because they don't have any choice. Also here all you're getting for MM primarily are much older players, which is terrible
Jul. 27, 2020 at 11:40 a.m.
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Who told you JJ is a 6th defenceman? Over the past 2 seasons he’s been playing 21-22 minutes a night. He hasn’t done good, but that’s mostly because his linemates (Letang & Schultz) play a style that doesn’t support his game at all. Both of them are offensive minded risk takers & leaves Jack out to dry. Jack is a solid 2 way defenceman, but he shouldn’t be the lone shutdown guy. I think alongside someone like Muzzin, he’d do very well. That makes it possible to move Holl with Rielly.


His relative GF/GA stats are atrocious for someone playing top 4 minutes. Schultz and Letang aren't the problem, he is.
Jul. 27, 2020 at 11:42 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Johnson can't ply top 4 minutes he does it but it's only because they don't have any choice. Also here all you're getting for MM primarily are much older players, which is terrible


Just cuz the players are older than Marner doesnt mean they aren’t useful. Hornqvist seems to be the exact type of player the Leafs need. A hardworking, gritty power forward who is a great locker room presence. He adds an element Marner can’t bring. Also, Jack has been playing top 4 or top 2 minutes pretty much his whole career. Whenever he’s played alongside a responsible defensive D, he’s performed very well. Toronto desperately needs a minute eating RD, which JJ is.
Jul. 27, 2020 at 11:43 a.m.
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Just cuz the players are older than Marner doesnt mean they aren’t useful. Hornqvist seems to be the exact type of player the Leafs need. A hardworking, gritty power forward who is a great locker room presence. He adds an element Marner can’t bring. Also, Jack has been playing top 4 or top 2 minutes pretty much his whole career. Whenever he’s played alongside a responsible defensive D, he’s performed very well. Toronto desperately needs a minute eating RD, which JJ is.


There's really no way to argue with you.

Hornqvist's deal is way worse than MM's, same goes for JJ's. Unless you add Poulin and a 1st TOR doesn't even consider
Jul. 27, 2020 at 11:49 a.m.
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There's really no way to argue with you.

Hornqvist's deal is way worse than MM's, same goes for JJ's. Unless you add Poulin and a 1st TOR doesn't even consider


but hornqvist brings an element marner can't bring - being slow
Jul. 27, 2020 at 11:52 a.m.
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His relative GF/GA stats are atrocious for someone playing top 4 minutes. Schultz and Letang aren't the problem, he is.


There’s no denying that JJ has flaws, his decision making can be questionable which is why he shouldn’t be the primary shutdown guy on his pairing, but he has proven he can be very effective alongside someone who can help him take care of the the opposition cycling the puck & forechecking. See his stats in CBJ w/Savard: T2turyK.jpg

Also, he was playing a top 4 role at the start of the season with Marino & he conceded shots & scoring chances at a lower rate compared to the rest of the team.

Read the article here: https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.pensburgh.com/platform/amp/2019/12/16/21023928/lets-have-an-honest-objective-talk-about-jack-johnson
 
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