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Created by: TySmith4Norris
Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 25, 2020
Published: Jul. 25, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$700,000
1$1,000,000
1$1,000,000
3$3,000,000
2$3,500,000
Trades
1.
ARI
  1. Rodrigues, Evan [RFA Rights]
2.
PIT
  1. Bennett, Sam
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (CGY)
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (CGY)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$77,337,675$0$850,000$4,162,325
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$2,550,000$2,550,000
C
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 3
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$7,250,000$7,250,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 3
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$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
G
UFA - 2
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$3,937,500$3,937,500
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$700,000$700,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LD
UFA - 2

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Jul. 25, 2020 at 1:55 p.m.
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I don't think you can get that high of draft picks when you're dumping Bjugstadt in the deal, especially with Murray coming off the worst year of his career. Obviously it's a small sample size on Murray, but it's still concerning, especially when he's going to need to be extended with a starters level contract.

I'd also like to see Rittich going back the other way in this type of deal. If the Flames were to re-sign Murray to say...a 6 year $30-35 million contract extension, then they have no need for a back up making $2.75 million.
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Jul. 25, 2020 at 2:17 p.m.
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Quoting: BurnEmUp
I don't think you can get that high of draft picks when you're dumping Bjugstadt in the deal, especially with Murray coming off the worst year of his career. Obviously it's a small sample size on Murray, but it's still concerning, especially when he's going to need to be extended with a starters level contract.

I'd also like to see Rittich going back the other way in this type of deal. If the Flames were to re-sign Murray to say...a 6 year $30-35 million contract extension, then they have no need for a back up making $2.75 million.


No need for a goalie coming to Pittsburgh but I assume he would be easy to move elsewhere. Pens fans also don’t view Bjugstad as a cap dump, he has low but positive value to the right team. Big 3C or 2RW on Calgary so they can move Mangiapane back to his natural left. His only issue is staying healthy but he’s worth his contract when he’s 100%. Honestly don’t value him that differently than Bennett as both players have 40 point upside, but I’m sure Calgary fans disagree
Jul. 25, 2020 at 2:31 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
No need for a goalie coming to Pittsburgh but I assume he would be easy to move elsewhere. Pens fans also don’t view Bjugstad as a cap dump, he has low but positive value to the right team. Big 3C or 2RW on Calgary so they can move Mangiapane back to his natural left. His only issue is staying healthy but he’s worth his contract when he’s 100%. Honestly don’t value him that differently than Bennett as both players have 40 point upside, but I’m sure Calgary fans disagree


I agree a healthy Bjugstadt would be a great fit in CGY. Big body, right hand shot, can play RW or C and like you said, good for around 40 points when healthy. Checks a lot of boxes for sure. But coming off of a 13 game season and surgery for a herniated disk makes his $4.1 million most assuredly a high risk cap dump to most (if not all) teams in the league, I would say.

As for Bennett/Bjugstadt comparable value, I have to lean to Bennett having more to be honest.

Bennett costs half as much.
Bennett is more likely to play more games.
Bennett is under team control, where as Bjugstadt is a pending UFA, so if both have great seasons, Pittsburgh still controls Bennett where as the Flames have no control over Bjugstadt.

You're right, Rittich could probably be traded somewhere else in another deal.
Jul. 25, 2020 at 2:35 p.m.
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I agree a healthy Bjugstadt would be a great fit in CGY. Big body, right hand shot, can play RW or C and like you said, good for around 40 points when healthy. Checks a lot of boxes for sure. But coming off of a 13 game season and surgery for a herniated disk makes his $4.1 million most assuredly a high risk cap dump to most (if not all) teams in the league, I would say.

As for Bennett/Bjugstadt comparable value, I have to lean to Bennett having more to be honest.

Bennett costs half as much.
Bennett is more likely to play more games.
Bennett is under team control, where as Bjugstadt is a pending UFA, so if both have great seasons, Pittsburgh still controls Bennett where as the Flames have no control over Bjugstadt.

You're right, Rittich could probably be traded somewhere else in another deal.


I view Murray as worth two 2nds, so I compensated for the difference between Bjugstad and Bennett as the difference between a 2nd and a 3rd. Think team control is overrated in this specific situation, as Bjugstad doesn’t have to be protected in expansion and Bennett does. If Bjugstad is a great fit, you can resign him after the draft without wasting an expansion slot
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Jul. 25, 2020 at 4:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
No need for a goalie coming to Pittsburgh but I assume he would be easy to move elsewhere. Pens fans also don’t view Bjugstad as a cap dump, he has low but positive value to the right team. Big 3C or 2RW on Calgary so they can move Mangiapane back to his natural left. His only issue is staying healthy but he’s worth his contract when he’s 100%. Honestly don’t value him that differently than Bennett as both players have 40 point upside, but I’m sure Calgary fans disagree


Murray's 26 right? So a 1 year "prove it" deal is not going to work as he would become a UFA. Hes probably looking for at least 5M too. I feel like Flames could just get Holtby for that asking price. I dont necessarily hate the idea of acquiring Murray in his prime but I think looking for a future top 6 player like Hall mighf take priority. Really depends on how Rittich does this playoffs.

As for Bjugstad, Tkachuk currently plays #2RW, and I think keeping Mangiapane in the top 6 is bettwr than Bjugstad. Maybe if Lindholm is moved to 2C he can try and crack the top 6
Jul. 25, 2020 at 4:34 p.m.
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Murray's 26 right? So a 1 year "prove it" deal is not going to work as he would become a UFA. Hes probably looking for at least 5M too. I feel like Flames could just get Holtby for that asking price. I dont necessarily hate the idea of acquiring Murray in his prime but I think looking for a future top 6 player like Hall mighf take priority. Really depends on how Rittich does this playoffs.

As for Bjugstad, Tkachuk currently plays #2RW, and I think keeping Mangiapane in the top 6 is bettwr than Bjugstad. Maybe if Lindholm is moved to 2C he can try and crack the top 6


I mean sure but Holtby is also older and had an even worse season. Bjugstad could also be a 3C or 3RW, the overarching idea is he helps with the imbalance of left vs. right handed players for Calgary and doesn’t have to be protected in expansion
Jul. 25, 2020 at 4:51 p.m.
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I mean sure but Holtby is also older and had an even worse season. Bjugstad could also be a 3C or 3RW, the overarching idea is he helps with the imbalance of left vs. right handed players for Calgary and doesn’t have to be protected in expansion


I don't disagree with your reasoning on Bjug. As for Holtby vs Murray, both are coming off (IMO) equally bad seasons, both are recent cup winning goalies so both are high risk, high reward. Holtby's age doesn't really matter when the goal of the team is to win now and not later.
Jul. 25, 2020 at 5:20 p.m.
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I don't disagree with your reasoning on Bjug. As for Holtby vs Murray, both are coming off (IMO) equally bad seasons, both are recent cup winning goalies so both are high risk, high reward. Holtby's age doesn't really matter when the goal of the team is to win now and not later.


Thought you brought up age but now realize it was specifically about the UFA classification. Agree on the window, just personally like Murray’s chances to bounce back more than Holtby’s
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Jul. 25, 2020 at 7:48 p.m.
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I’ve said before that Demers could be a trade option to fill the 3 RD position. I feel like that might be a bit too high for Calgary. Maybe Bennett and a 2nd or a 3rd. I feel like it’d be a waste putting bennett 3rd line. Maybe move Zuck up with Crosby and Guentzel, bennett up with Malkin and rust, Simon down with McCann and horny.
Jul. 25, 2020 at 7:52 p.m.
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I’ve said before that Demers could be a trade option to fill the 3 RD position. I feel like that might be a bit too high for Calgary. Maybe Bennett and a 2nd or a 3rd. I feel like it’d be a waste putting bennett 3rd line. Maybe move Zuck up with Crosby and Guentzel, bennett up with Malkin and rust, Simon down with McCann and horny.


Bennett has not proven he can handle top 6 minutes as of yet
Jul. 26, 2020 at 6:03 p.m.
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Bennett has not proven he can handle top 6 minutes as of yet


But what’s the point in getting him if you aren’t going to at least start him there to try him out. If we are going to give up Murray, we should at least get someone that we will try out on the top 6. I would also like to see him in the top 6 than Simon.

And tbh, up until this year Rust never got more than 3rd line minutes and look what he did with the opportunity. Putting Simon up there when he has never averaged more than 3rd line minutes kinda defeats the point of not proving he can handle top 6 minutes.
The only way I see this trade being beneficial to the pens is if you either slot Bennett in the top 6 or McCann in the top 6 and have Bennett center the 3rd line between Simon and Hornqvist since Bennett is a better in the faceoff dot than McCann.
Jul. 26, 2020 at 7:24 p.m.
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But what’s the point in getting him if you aren’t going to at least start him there to try him out. If we are going to give up Murray, we should at least get someone that we will try out on the top 6. I would also like to see him in the top 6 than Simon.

And tbh, up until this year Rust never got more than 3rd line minutes and look what he did with the opportunity. Putting Simon up there when he has never averaged more than 3rd line minutes kinda defeats the point of not proving he can handle top 6 minutes.
The only way I see this trade being beneficial to the pens is if you either slot Bennett in the top 6 or McCann in the top 6 and have Bennett center the 3rd line between Simon and Hornqvist since Bennett is a better in the faceoff dot than McCann.


The trade really is to give them more flexibility capwise without getting worse as opposed to getting better. Absolutely would try Bennett higher, but not sure he's more than a third line talent with some upside and would trade for him knowing that. Think he brings a physical edge no other Pens winger does
 
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