thanks for the offer of help
but no thanks from canucks.jake would fetch a second by him self in my opinion

As said many times Domi for 8th overall is horrible for Buffalo. They can just sign Haula for like 3-4 million if they want a 40-50 point center.

Vancouver declines, they need to be proactive and move Loui and Beagle, not Sutter or Baertschi

Help is help at this point I don't think the Canucks can be too picky. You can try and unload Loui but it will cost a minimum of a 2020 1st + A prospect. Beagle again the ask will still be Virtanen or a similar caliber player. 1 year of Marleau cost a 1st, that's your starting point for 2 years of Erikson. 1 year of Mason cost the Jets Armia so again Virtanen = 2 years of Beagle or 1 year of Suter. We could take Beagle for you but it will still cost Virtanen.

For 8 o/a Buffalo needs Armia coming with Domi

I’m not sure if I would even do that. Armia has one year left.

Like I said before Buffalo fans are all over the board with the majority thinking Domi + 2nd or 3rd is fair value if you want Armia as well you will have to send back Thompson or Middlestat

8oa for domi doesnt really do much for me. This strikes me as the buyers market price and im just sick of watching the sabres get smoked on trades, and the results have been exactly what you expect, id just pass and draft best offensive forward on the board.

He is an immediate help on our PK and fits great next to Cozens on the third line bringing a solid all around game that can really help support a young center

We can send thompson and Montreal leaves in the third

I mean he’s a 40-50 point center he’s not worth a first.

Buffalo needs a 2nd line center on a half decent long-term contract. Domi is exactly that plus he brings a brand of tenacity that the Sabres seriously lack.

Domi is a 50 point 3rd line center. As a 2nd line center he put up 72 points last season but he probably doesnt avverage more than 60-70 points.

He is only 2C with Buffalo for 1 - 2 years after that we need to move him or he is an overpaid third line center that is not great defensively.

Plus hes gonna wanna get paid. Id rather keep 8oa and get a middle 6 center like haula or something. Basically we are screwed if cozens isnt a very solid 2c, but thats just piling on to the tradition of missing on draft picks and not developing anybody. Considering we cant even overpay ufas, if we cant hit on our picks we are dead in the water anyways.

Even if you flip him in 2 years his value will have gone up not down after posting 2 more seasons at 60+ points. Also while he is no Philip Danault He isn't that bad either. He is about average defensively.

That's fine. The issue here's isn't giving up Virtanen, it's that giving up Virtanen to get rid of Sutter in no way helps the team resign Petey and Hughes. Trading Sutter won't cost something as high as a Virtanen, he's still a valuable player and has just one year left as 4mil. Getting his contract off the books would be more like a Rafferty imo

Both teams pass. I like Domi a lot but he’s not worth a top 10 pick.

Canucks won’t use Virtanen to move sutter. Eriksson yes. But not sutter

If he has back to back seasons at 60 + points and is at least average defensively we will find a way to make it work on our roster. Okposo contract is gone in 3 years and Cozens is on ELC until that point. That is a big if considering he has not yet had 50 points in back to back seasons.

He was on pace this year for 52 while playing 3rd line center. Only reason he didn't hit it was the pandemic and shut down

On track for 52 and over 60 is a significant difference. He did play a fair amount of time this year with either Drouin or Suzuki and did compile a decent amount of his points while playing with those players

Right, I was just replying to your comment about not having 2 years in a row at 50+. Although you are wrong a he played a total of 1087:02 ice time this season and only 87:28 of those minutes were spent with Drouin and Armia (the only line combination where he had 2 top 6 quality forwards) beyond that he spent 571:54 with any one of Armia, Suzuki and Drouin. He played 108:05 with 2 of Weal Byron and Lehkonen and 407:03 with one of Byron, Lehkonen, Weal and Cousins and one of Armia, Suzuki and Drouin. In terms of percentages that works out to 8.0% of total time with 2 top 6 wingers and 9.9 % of the time with 2 bottom 6 wingers and 82.2% of the time he spent with 1 bottom 6 forward and 1 top 6 forward. Pretty hard to put up 60+ points that way.

If he was playing with either Suzuki or Drouin thise are top 6 linemates and he was getting top 6 minutes with them and more ozone starts. He will not likely be playing with two "top 6" linemates the majority of the time if he is acquired by the Sabres either. If he needs elite players surrounding him on every shift to produce 60 + points he is not worth 8 o/a

Not many players can produce 60+ points playing with a bottom 6 forward on one wing! Basically only the generational players like McDavid and McKinnon can do it because they make everyone better. You think Marner could put up 60 points playing with Clifford and Kerfoot? I doubt it. Or how about Cirelli playing with Killorn and Goodrow or Maroon? Or Staal playing with McGinn and Williams? Or O'Reilly playing with Sanford and Sundqvist? Or how about Kadri with Calvert and Burakovski? Probably not any of them hit 60 points playing with one 4th liner and with 1 top 6 winger. Then add in the minutes of having to play with two 4th liners and they too will be lucky to hit 50 points.

So Oreillys 2nd most common linemate this year was Zack Sanford. Via puckopedia. Also Killorn has been Cirellis most common linemate every season 2nd most common for his career Mathieu Joseph. Oreillys 2nd most common linemate with Buffalo was kyle Okposo. And Cirelli and Oreilly are elite defensive centers. Even if they get me only 50 - 60 points which trends show they will provide more they are worth 8 o/a because of what they do defensively. Now if a player is average or slightly below defensively I need higher offensive production for them to be worth that value. Kadri is a good player but not worth 8 o/a and that was seen in what the leafs got for him. Additionally he is better defensively and is on a better contract then Domi will be on.