I dont think the gap between Marner and Konecny is Myers. Plus, Konecny is locked up on about half of Marner's salary.

Myers was a solid contributer to the Flyers blueline, I dont think the Flyers accept

I mean, Konecny had a great year offensively but up until this season, wasn't anything special. Probably a 60-70 point player for a 90+ player thats younger. The caphit is obviously the big factor in this deal as Konecny is worth more per dollar earned.

Not taking the cap into consideration, the Flyers win this deal big time, turns into 11M for 8.5M, flyers spend an extra 2.5M and get Marner

Flyers say no. They have plenty of playmakers, Konecny is a better goal scorer than Marner and I think they would value him more for that reason

I think thats a good reason, I think the value is fair but yeah, between Voracek and Giroux they have plenty of playmaking talent

Not to mention the deal would blow up Philly's cap situation.

I mean, they're only spending an extra 2.4M

Plus the replacement cost of a young 2nd pair d-man. All for 6 more points, but less goals a year.

So Konecny is an 88 point player now?

Marner
2019-20 Toronto Maple LeafsToronto Maple Leafs NHL 59 16 51 67 6 16

Konecny
2019-20 Philadelphia FlyersPhiladelphia Flyers NHL 66 24 37 61 -1 28

I know it's hard math but 67 pts - 61 points = 6 points. And 16 goals minus 24 goals = -8 goals.

So just disregarding games played? Also Marners younger and played at a higher level for longer, Konecny is about a .6ppg player while Marner is a career ppg, huge difference

Marner is 23 yrs old. Konecny is 23 years old. They are not even 2 months apart. Marner has been in the NHL since 2016-17. Konecny since 2016-17 as well. One has 300 NHL games the other has 299 games.

Marner's best year of goals is 26. Konecny's best year is 24 goals.

Points off of Toronto's stacked power play do make a difference in the assist category. But in Philly they expect players to play both ways. Not just outscore the opponent and not play defense. It's why the cap hits are so far apart despite being close statistically.

I agree that Marner is a better player. But I don't agree when you look at cap hits and length of contract in a flat cap world that the difference is Philippe Myers who was undrafted in 2015 but would have been a 1st round pick in 2016.

My bad on the age, got the draft years mixed up. Funny that you bring up powerplay assists though as the two of them had the same amount this year and Marner with one more powerplay goal. Marner actually is a solid defensive player and while playing on the PK doesn't mean you're better at defense, Marners proven he can play a two way game, same as Konecny. The only real argument is the caphit but the reason for Toronto to make this move and trade the superior player would be to cut cap and add Myers. Does Philly consider this if they get another asset back?

Philly is really tight on cap space next year 14 guys signed for 72.52M. They have 2 ELC guys they can bring up (1st round picks German Rubtsov and Morgan Frost) so that leaves about 7.2M for 6 guys. So I don't see them trading a reasonable contract for a guy capable of more but with a huge contract that looked bad the day it was signed. Dubas counted on a rising cap (a new US TV deal coming, as well as a new team (Seattle) joining the NHL). Well that backfired and he wasn't the only GM that made that mistake. So now the market has 5 or 6 buyers and 10-15 sellers. With that kind of market the sellers don't get full value on any trade. It also hurts that Marner struggled (okay didn't take a giant leap forward) this past year. Toronto seeing that will hang onto Marner in the hopes he becomes his potential.

Toronto has a 2 year window (this and next) then they will be forced to do what Tampa will do this offseason--sell cheap to anyone and beg players not to exercise their NTC's. I don't see Dubas doing anything but going all-in and living with the results. Personally, I am going to laugh when it defense that costs them a shot at the Cup.

If Toronto trade Marner they'll have to move him to a team that has capspace and a desperate need for a star forward if they want a good return. Philadelphia isn't a good fit.

PHI easily reject

they are the same age...Konecny is a heart and soul guy too similar to Tkachuk, his point production+the intangibles+Myers is not worth $11M Marner

I stopped reading when I saw that Toronto has a 2 year window

So pretty much the whole post? lol

Any team in the bubble has a chance. Biggest issues with playoffs were travel and health coming into them. With the bubble and the stoppage neither of those are an issue. Window doesn't mean they're a favorite just that they have 2 years and their salary cap issues blow up the team. Just like how Tampa's team will be blown up this year because of salary cap issues.

Why do they have to blow the team up when they have their best players under contract for longer than two years? Not to mention they have three NHL level prospects and another two that will likely make the team over the next two seasons. Don't know where you're getting the two year number from but you're way off

Yeah