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Highly unrealistic scenario, but what’d you guys think of this team? Are they unstoppable?

P.S don’t quote the first message.

Maybe the worst D core in the league.

Crow won't be back in 2 years most likely , Kieth won't be LTIR and neither will Seabs most likely, TOR gets robbed in that trade then we get robbed in the NYI trade.Dach should be playing center instead of Pius

Devon toews is a top pairing defenseman. You definitely don’t get robbed, he might be the most underrated defenseman in the league.

Though I would love to have Marnier, that's just too high a price.

The Kubalik/Toews trade I don't think works for either team in the long run.

Of course there's retention. Which isnt happening, especially for that package

Outsider's point of view, no one is getting robbed

I would likely do that TOR trade. Marner's an elite playmaker.

I would NOT make that NYI trade. Trotz deserves most of the credit for their turn around. It's his SYSTEM that took them from literally LAST in goals allow to winning the Jennings is one single off season. Then followed up with 5th least goals against. Kubalik is a 30 goal scorer as a rookie with limited minutes. I think he has more value than Devon Toews 1 for 1. Keith will be there anyway. He'll still be a very valuable Dman even until his very last year. He shouldn't be forced to play 24+ ATOI like he was even just this past year.

My other notes - Kirby Dach will be a center. Pius Suter can play wing. I would indeed sign Brodin to that contract. Smaller notes, I'm not sure I sign Drake/Kampf to those deals. It just depends on how well they perform this year I guess.

***EDIT*** and I pray to the big man upstairs that the Hawks can win the lottery...wow oh wow would that be fun for CHI

FYI youre siding with a troll

That Marner trade is one of the worst yet. A realistic package coming from the Hawks would include Boqvist and Cat. You're such a troll mao

Tbh this is one of the worst trades yet. This just makes us worse all around

that marner package is god awful. it should start w boqvist and cat++

trotz is the most overrated coach in the NHL

I feel like that honor should go to Torts or Julien.

This is another non nonsensical trade from mitchmarnerelite, where Marner is simultaneously the greatest player in the league but also is a terrible person and worth spare parts.

trotz gets praise for outcoaching his own bad roster decisions.

Mitch korn deserves a lot more credit than trotz. Whatever he does with goalies, it works. Pelech and pulock were great before trotz. Toews was our top D prospect before trotz became head coach, he doesn't credit because toews is a top pairing caliber D. Whats next, trotz is going to get credit for dobson becoming an elite defenseman after he won 2 memorial cups with 2 different teams? lol

Trash D core? Are you serious?

Brodin was statistically the best shutdown defenceman in the league this season. His scoring chance prevention and offensive zone time prevention were at the top of the league. Toews is also very good, he ranked top 10 amongst defensemen in scoring chances generated and top 15 in scoring chances prevented. Both are easily top 10 LHDs currently.



Boqvist was decent as a rookie this season & he has elite potential. Mitchell has played tremendously in college & looks to become a solid top 4 D. Alongside excellent & responsible partners like Brodin & Toews, they should develop very well.

I suggest getting a clue before coming here to spit out nonsencial ignorant takes.

Yeah agree about the Keith & Seabrook point, that's why I said it's unrealistic. It's just, neither Keith & Seabrook are very good for a top 4 role anymore, so I felt it was convenient to put them on LTIR & bring in younger options who are still in their primes.

I agree that it's a lot to give up for Marner, but with the team above, they can easily contend for the next 2-3 seasons.

I decided to trade Toews for Kubalik because NYI needs someone who can score goals while Chicago need a D to replace Keith since he's declined.

I feel this is one of my better packages for Marner. Yes, he could get more especially with salary retention, but I feel it's in the ballpark.

I understand the argument for Kubalik to have more value for Toews, but I would not discredit Toews' success for Trotz's system. If anything, Trotz's system is vastly overrated & the reason why they've conceded so many goals is because of elite goaltending. Over the past 2 seasons, the Islanders are a bottom 10 team in zone possession differential, shot differential, scoring chance differential & high danger scoring chance differential. These stats indicate that Trotz's system has not been very effective at preventing other teams from generating offense.

Toews on the other hand, has put up extremely impressive individual numbers. He's near the top of the league in offence created as well as defensive contributions (shots & scoring chances prevented). The fact that he's been so good on a team that performs so bad is a testament to how good of a defenceman he is.

To your point about Keith, yes, he was one of the most valuable defencemen in the league during his prime. However, his performance over the last 2 seasons have dipped dramatically. He's near the bottom of the league in 5v5 defence & doesn't add much value to special teams. I guess you can put him on the bottom pairing to see how it goes. You still have 12 million left in cap space anyway.

He's done more the the Isle than anyone in that organization right now. What team misses the playoffs because they let up the most goals in the entire NHL....then loses their best player for literally nothing in return....Hires Trotz, and then makes it to the 2nd round (sweeping the Penguins) with much of the same exact players?

I swear you are just here to stir things up as you're not bringing anything meaningful to this discussion and keep quoting the post with mentions on it giving them several notifications. You will be reported.

I’m not saying he’s a bad coach , he’s just overrated. Doug weights system was basically a pond hockey style, any system with structure would have seen the isles improve significantly in terms of goals against.

Like I said, Mitch korn deserves more credit for the work he did with lehner/greiss

Trotz will scratch Dobson in favor of a below replacement level defenseman like boychuk and people will praise him for doing more with less, even though he chooses to play grinders over skill. Not saying the isles have a ton of talent, but trotz system stifles offense and makes the team look worse than they are.