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Regarding Pilut, the idea would be to give him the opportunity to make the team out of camp. Once at least one of Byram or Pilut have established themselves then Cole could be traded.

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Jul. 28, 2020 at 11:55 a.m.

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Gourde ewwwww,

He is not worth taking on even with reduced salary and gaining a first, I think hes the worst fit out of all the Tampa contracts. Moving compher out and Gorde in seems like a massive step backwards

Jul. 28, 2020 at 11:59 a.m.

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Quoting: Richard88

Regarding Pilut, the idea would be to give him the opportunity to make the team out of camp. Once at least one of Byram or Pilut have established themselves then Cole could be traded.

Pulit is already signed in Europe. He isn’t coming back this year

Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:00 p.m.

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Quoting: coga16

Good 5v5 metrics, especially defensively:

Good special teams metrics, especially so with the PK, which is an area we need help with (i.e. Compher and Nieto aren't very good at it statistically):

Always been a positive possession player:

You're essentially swapping Compher for Gourde here, taking on $1m in salary, while gaining a late 1st, early 2nd, and late 3rd. Seems like really good trade-off to me. Especially given that Gourde's PP and PK metrics are better, and he also scores at a better rate than Compher too.

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Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:00 p.m.

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Tampa decline lmao retained salary + sending a 1st roud pick

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Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:00 p.m.

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Pulit is already signed in Europe. He isn’t coming back this year

He would come back this year if given a 1 way NHL contract and assured a top 6 role. His contract allows him out to accept an NHL deal.

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Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:01 p.m.

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Pulit is already signed in Europe. He isn’t coming back this year

He has an 'out' clause in his KHL contract apparently, so he can leave if he gets offered an NHL contract.

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Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:03 p.m.

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Tampa decline lmao retained salary + sending a 1st roud pick

Good luck keeping Sergachev, Cirelli, and Cernak....

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Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:07 p.m.

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Lol JT Compter for almost a first and a third. Id give you a fourth for him thats it

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Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:08 p.m.

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Quoting: Richard88

Good 5v5 metrics, especially defensively:

Good special teams metrics, especially so with the PK, which is an area we need help with (i.e. Compher and Nieto aren't very good at it statistically):

Always been a positive possession player:

I dont like the Gourde fit, its more than that. Smaller guy, is goign to be 29 next year and his contract takes him up to 34 years old.

Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:09 p.m.

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Yanni Gourde is still great in a lot of Categories. His defense is still one of the best and he is just struggling to produce offense on a team where he can't get his minutes. If he starts producing his contract will look great. He is still great on the PP and PK. I don't think he has negative value qtSIGrB

Tampa isn't paying a first to get rid of a guy with not much negative value. Maybe a second

Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:15 p.m.

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Tampa isn't paying a first to get rid of a guy with not much negative value. Maybe a second

Too old too small already, I dont think hes a good fit based on his age goign forward. Dont need to be going out of their way of aquiring guys with NTC whos contract is mainly in their 30s

He could be a NTC nightmare for the Avs based on aging curves

Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:17 p.m.

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Lol JT Compter for almost a first and a third. Id give you a fourth for him thats it

Haha, don't be silly. You're not getting him for a 4th, nowhere near

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Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:20 p.m.

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Haha, don't be silly. You're not getting him for a 4th, nowhere near

Well your not getting almost a first and a third for him. Thats 50 point player value and hes a 30 point player

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Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:21 p.m.

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Lol JT Compter for almost a first and a third. Id give you a fourth for him thats it

Dude come on, a 4th, that is just crazy talk

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Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:21 p.m.

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Tampa isn't paying a first to get rid of a guy with not much negative value. Maybe a second

It's not his actual play that makes him negative value, it's his NTC. Gourde is BY FAR the most convenient player for Tampa to trade to relieve their cap crunch, and he basically has FULL control over where he ends up. If Sakic tells his agent that he's interested, do you think Gourde is going to waive to go anywhere else when he can join a young cup contender where he'll have a solid 2nd or 3rd line role? I don't think so. And for that reason it makes it a circumstance that hugely favours Sakic, and you can bet that he will want to get a good deal or he'll just walk away and let Brisbois find another way to get out of his mess (which could likely include having to trade Cirelli or Sergachev.

Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:21 p.m.

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Dude come on, a 4th, that is just crazy talk

Maybe true, but the original was also crazy in the opposite direction.

Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:23 p.m.

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Well your not getting almost a first and a third for him. Thats 50 point player value and hes a 30 point player

Draft picks are overrated by fans. If you're lucky you get a player like Compher with that 2nd round pick. In fact that's exactly where Compher was drafted. Maybe a 3rd is slightly too much as the additional piece given that it's a high 2nd, but I don't think it's that far off value overall. Compher has a lot of value as a 0.5ppg who can play all situations at both C and wing.

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Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:25 p.m.

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His NTC becomes a 23 team trade list from 2022 onwards. At age 30/31 with $4.5m caphit and a 23 team market it shouldn't be too difficult to move him if necessary.

Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:26 p.m.

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Quoting: papishark

Maybe true, but the original was also crazy in the opposite direction.

compher is signed for 3 more years, 25 years old, all situations 40 point 3rd line C.
A 4th is just such a low ball

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Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.

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Good 5v5 metrics, especially defensively:

Good special teams metrics, especially so with the PK, which is an area we need help with (i.e. Compher and Nieto aren't very good at it statistically):

TBL fan. I have really liked Gourde since his rookie year. He is relentless, has no fear and never quits. He went through a bad slump this year and never took a shift off. He has been a victim of too much forward talent. His minutes have dropped by over 2 minutes, power play time is next to none and he has been mostly on the fourth line. Put him on a good second or third line with more minutes and he will produce 45 points plus and be a pain in the butt to opposing teams. His contract is bad, not sure why JBB offered that amount or term. JBB will think hard on this offer.

Always been a positive possession player:

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Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.

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His NTC becomes a 23 team trade list from 2022 onwards. At age 30/31 with $4.5m caphit and a 23 team market it shouldn't be too difficult to move him if necessary.

Avs should not be going out of their way to get guys under contract with their mid 30s with NTCs

Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:37 p.m.

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He would come back this year if given a 1 way NHL contract and assured a top 6 role. His contract allows him out to accept an NHL deal.

I still highly doubt he’d come over judging on how this season went and the amount of competition he would have. He’d be safer staying the year in Europe and developing

Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:53 p.m.

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I still highly doubt he’d come over judging on how this season went and the amount of competition he would have. He’d be safer staying the year in Europe and developing

It would depend on the team he was traded too. He should have been in the Sabres top 6 the entire year last year as soon as he was healthy

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Jul. 28, 2020 at 12:57 p.m.

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