Quoting: dca919
4 years x 5.25M for 27 goals 45 assists (72 pts) in 69 games plus Nolan Foote (2nd/3rd line winger) going one way.....Blake Coleman (1 assist in 9 games 1 more year @1.8M but is a 2 way player), Marek Mazanec (not in TB’s plans moving forward only included to keep Van from going over contract limit), and # 71 - Hugo Alnefelt (goalie projected to be solid backup/possible NHL starter but not even in NA rinks yet)
....yeah pennies on the dollar
Gourde's was a terrible contract. Vasi's was a terrible contract given the team's cap issue already. Point's contract kicked the can down the road on a short term deal that was fair to both sides.
Buyout one equaling affording Serg and Cirelli? ...think again. Buying out a contract doesn't spread out the payments evenly.
Gourde's buyout ($2,713,333M next year, $513,333 yr 2, $2,713,333 yr 3, $1,713,333 yr 4 & 5, $1,646,667 yrs 6-10) only $2,453,333 savings next year minus the replacement cost
Johnson buyout ( $2,729,167M next year, $979,167 yr 2, $2,729,167 yr 3, $1,729,167 yr 4, $1,479,167 yrs 5-8) only $2,270,833 savings next year minus the replacement cost
Palat buyout ($3,312,500M next year, $1,457,500 yr 2-4) savings only $1,987,500 next year minus the replacement cost.
Current cap space $5,333,334 (15 players signed) + 2.4533M savings (now 14 players) = 7.7867M -4.5M (Serg makes 15 players) = 3.2867M left to sign Anthony Cirelli and 7 other players....including Cernak.
You just proved my point that Tampa fans don't understand the situation by thinking you just have to get rid of one player by buyout when they say no to waiving the NTC's.[/
Nice try spinning the Miller deal after the fact lol. The trade was for a 1st and 3rd at the time, so the trade was far from for pennies on the dollar lol. Tampa would very gladly take the same for Killorn and one of Johnson, Gourde or Palat. Gourde’s contract was and is still fine, you probably see his stats and assume, like so many others, that his contract is horrible. Vas’s has the worst of the 3 you mentioned, but Tampa has their goaltending solved for the better part of a decade barring injury, so they’ll take it. Your numbers are laughable regarding Tampa’s cap. You seem to assume Tampa won’t convince a guy to waive when they have before and their are reasons for a player like Johnson or Gourde to want to do so. Johnson is the most likely case as he can be very selective where he goes now vs risking 20 locations after 1 more year in Tampa. He has made plenty of money and has seen his playing time decrease, so a new team and a greater role may be of interest to him. Yes the buyout is long term but regardless of the length and hit, it is an option for Tampa to save enough if needed to sign Serg and Cirelli now. You also don’t include all the other moves Tampa will make to make space. Killorn, Paquette, very likely Coburn, and one of Johnson/Gourde/Palat saves Tampa nearly 14 million before replacements, who will be relatively cost controlled. If one of them don’t waive, keeping Cernak is more difficult, but not impossible. Tampa easily gets to a 21 or 22 player roster to begin the year, sorry but Tampa is going nowhere and will still be a top 5 contender. Most likely their lineup is this next year or something close:
Stamkos-Point-Kucherov(24.75)
Gourde/Johnson-Cirelli-Palat(14.8-14.967)
Coleman-Stephens-Goodrow(3.525)
Maroon-Verhaeghe-Joseph/ABB/Volkov(2.6)
13 F- 46.475-46.64
Hedman-Rutta(9.275)
McD-Cernak(8.75)
Serg-Foote(5.425)
Gaunce/Bogosian/Schenn
7D-24.25
Vasi(9.5)
McE(1.3)
2G-10.8
Total-81.523-81.69
So Tampa has to negotiate 100-200k in contracts, or run 21 instead. If regular fans like myself and others are able to get the lineup this close, there’s little doubt Brisebois and his team can make it work. I’ve also given Cirelli 4.5, when most who follow Tampa see him closer to what Killorn, Johnson and Palat got on their bridges in terms of cap hit %, so closer to 4 for Cirelli. The 400-500k saved on Cirelli gets them there easily. If they keep Coburn, they can still fit by playing him at 3LD and moving Serg to the top 4 on the right. If they have to buy out Johnson or Gourde(the most likely candidates), sure the cap hit varies over the years but it’s nothing crippling. With their buy out, they likely trade Cernak and run Serg, Rutta/Bogo and Foote on the right and Hedman, McD and either Coburn or a cheaper fill in at 3LD. Tampa has plenty of options to make things work, like most Tampa fans already know. We’ve heard the same crap from ppl like you for several years now, so it’s nothing surprising. Thanks for once again showing no real understanding of Tampa’s cap situation.
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