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Getting Pick Number 4

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Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 28, 2020
Published: Jul. 28, 2020
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Free Agent Signings
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5$5,250,000
5$6,750,000
4$3,250,000
2$1,075,000
4$4,000,000
3$6,340,000
3$3,400,000
1$750,000
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1$700,000
1$700,000
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Cirelli, Anthony$6,340,000
2021 1st round pick
2021 3rd round pick
Trades
1.
BUF
  1. 2020 1st round pick (DET)
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Pick #4
DET
  1. Cozens, Dylan
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
Pick #38
2.
BUF
    Lucas Raymond
    Alexander Holtz
    DET
    1. 2020 1st round pick (DET)
    2. 2020 1st round pick (BUF)
    3.
    BUF
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    2. 2021 3rd round pick (NYR)
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 9:48 p.m.
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    I like cozens but this is a decline to me as a wings fan, rather have drysdale
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 9:52 p.m.
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    The Sabres do not trade Cozens for anything less than a top 6 player who can play right now, because maybe he can. Trading for younger players who won’t be ready for multiple years doesn’t make any sense. But I would offer sheet Cirelli.

    There is no way they resign Sobotka or Frolik, at all.
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 10:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: buffbry
    I like cozens but this is a decline to me as a wings fan, rather have drysdale


    Quoting: Tjm220
    The Sabres do not trade Cozens for anything less than a top 6 player who can play right now, because maybe he can. Trading for younger players who won’t be ready for multiple years doesn’t make any sense. But I would offer sheet Cirelli. There is no way they resign Sobotka or Frolik, at all.


    I agree both teams easily decline.
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 10:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tjm220
    The Sabres do not trade Cozens for anything less than a top 6 player who can play right now, because maybe he can. Trading for younger players who won’t be ready for multiple years doesn’t make any sense. But I would offer sheet Cirelli.

    There is no way they resign Sobotka or Frolik, at all.

    Cozens will be about as good of a base of a trade for Cirelli to fill your 2C. Value is pretty fair on the Detroit offer.
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 10:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: BStinson
    Cozens will be about as good of a base of a trade for Cirelli to fill your 2C. Value is pretty fair on the Detroit offer.

    The point is trading for the 4th pick doesn’t help Them now. Putting in an offer sheet for Cirelli doesn’t cost a player, just picks. It’s also kind of a hassle to reacquire the third round pick from the Rangers, but trading for Cirelli would cost more than the offer sheet.
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 10:10 p.m.
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    Why would Buffalo do this, and then take the 2 worst possible players available
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 10:27 p.m.
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    Detroit might accept that trade. I think you have to add another small piece like a 3rd rounder too. Trade value chart list 4 as 53.9. Moving Cozens up from 7 (worth 40.2) to say 5th you get 44.8 and 38th is worth 4.3 so it still falls short on the charts. The reason why I say might is that Detroit can hope someone wants Drysdale and is willing to move down (LA) or pay a premium to move up and might get a better return.

    But, I don't know why Buffalo would trade Cozens to get Raymond though...Raymond probably makes it down to 6 or 7 this year and those 2nd round picks in the 30's still hit and are generally worth about 25% of what the top pick is.

    Plus the 4th pick is worth about 58% of what the top pick is. In fact, the largest drop-off in pick value occurs between picks three and four in the draft.
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 10:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: aedoran
    I agree both teams easily decline.


    Cozens is Jr transfer limited next year...he either plays in the NHL or in Jr's. He can't play in the AHL and I don't think he's ready for the NHL, but won't get anything out of Jr's. The same thing happened to Michael Rasmussen and it slowed his development down an extra year anyways.
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 10:48 p.m.
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    Cozens is Jr transfer limited next year...he either plays in the NHL or in Jr's. He can't play in the AHL and I don't think he's ready for the NHL, but won't get anything out of Jr's. The same thing happened to Michael Rasmussen and it slowed his development down an extra year anyways.


    I'am aware of that and it's part of the reason why I said both teams decline. I wouldn't trade the 4th OA pick without 8th OA pick coming to Detroit and that takes Cozens out of the deal. Now #4OA for the #8OA + Johnsson I'd do that trade but I doubt Buffalo would do that.
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 10:53 p.m.
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Why would Buffalo do this, and then take the 2 worst possible players available
    Sigh.

    McKenzie has Raymond rated 6th and Holtz 9th. ISS has Raymond 5th and Holtz 9th. Future considerations 4th and 6th. Central Scouting 4th and 2nd respectively among European skaters.

    So lets not exaggerate they're reaches.
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 11:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: dca919
    Sigh.

    McKenzie has Raymond rated 6th and Holtz 9th. ISS has Raymond 5th and Holtz 9th. Future considerations 4th and 6th. Central Scouting 4th and 2nd respectively among European skaters.

    So lets not exaggerate they're reaches.


    *sigh* were taking the 6th best prospect at 4 and the 9th at 8. That was my point, you literally proved my point trying to $hit talk me after following me around, because I called you out for degrading woman in Buffalo, AFTER I AGREED WITH YOUR INITIAL COMMENT. 🤡🤡🤡
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 11:40 p.m.
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    Quoting: buffbry
    I like cozens but this is a decline to me as a wings fan, rather have drysdale


    Honestly if I’m Detroit, I’m taking that and running.
    To get an NHL ready middle six center with size and the 8th overall pick for pick 4 (four draft spots), that’s. No brainer. And since you know Buffalo likely wouldn’t take Drysdale there, you could probably package pick 8 and pick 33, and probably another mid round pick to move up a couple spots for an elite forward like Perfetti, or Raymond or you can stay put and take Sanderson.

    If I’m Buffalo, hell no id make that offer.
    Jul. 29, 2020 at 12:09 a.m.
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    Quoting: DickFoligno
    Honestly if I’m Detroit, I’m taking that and running.
    To get an NHL ready middle six center with size and the 8th overall pick for pick 4 (four draft spots), that’s. No brainer. And since you know Buffalo likely wouldn’t take Drysdale there, you could probably package pick 8 and pick 33, and probably another mid round pick to move up a couple spots for an elite forward like Perfetti, or Raymond or you can stay put and take Sanderson.

    If I’m Buffalo, hell no id make that offer.


    Actually its Cozens han pick 38 not pick 8 that would be a terrible deal for Buffalo.
    Quoting: dca919
    Sigh.

    McKenzie has Raymond rated 6th and Holtz 9th. ISS has Raymond 5th and Holtz 9th. Future considerations 4th and 6th. Central Scouting 4th and 2nd respectively among European skaters.

    So lets not exaggerate they're reaches.


    IMO Holtz is the best guy after Raymond, Perfetti, Rossi and Drysdale. So that's why I picked him at 8.

    I think if they offersheet Cirelli they no longer need a 2C and Cozens can be traded.

    Two cheap top 6 wingers would fill the roster in nicely.

    Quoting: dca919
    Detroit might accept that trade. I think you have to add another small piece like a 3rd rounder too. Trade value chart list 4 as 53.9. Moving Cozens up from 7 (worth 40.2) to say 5th you get 44.8 and 38th is worth 4.3 so it still falls short on the charts. The reason why I say might is that Detroit can hope someone wants Drysdale and is willing to move down (LA) or pay a premium to move up and might get a better return.

    But, I don't know why Buffalo would trade Cozens to get Raymond though...Raymond probably makes it down to 6 or 7 this year and those 2nd round picks in the 30's still hit and are generally worth about 25% of what the top pick is.

    Plus the 4th pick is worth about 58% of what the top pick is. In fact, the largest drop-off in pick value occurs between picks three and four in the draft.


    I wouldn't add anything to the offer. I already feel like this is not the best value for Buffalo. I just feel that if they are gonna offersheet Cirelli it would be better to have a winger than a centre. I'd have no problem letting Cozens take the 3rd line centre position for a couple years instead though.
    Jul. 29, 2020 at 12:17 a.m.
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    Buffalo would have to include their own first and Cozens at the very least. What a crap offer
     
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