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trading 2 goalies

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Team: 2020-21 New York Rangers
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 30, 2020
Published: Jul. 30, 2020
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Free Agent Signings
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3$5,400,000
2$1,800,000
3$4,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$3,000,000
Trades
1.
NYR
  1. Mantha, Anthony [RFA Rights]
DET
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [RFA Rights]
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (NYR)
2.
CAR
  1. Ciccolini, Eric [Reserve List]
  2. Strome, Ryan [RFA Rights]
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (NYR)
3.
NYR
  1. Eriksson, Loui
  2. Juolevi, Olli
  3. 2020 5th round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Lundqvist, Henrik
  2. 2020 4th round pick (NYR)
Buyouts
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2020
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2021
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22$81,500,000$81,428,965$0$9,450,000$71,035
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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LW
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C
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
RW
RFA - 2
$4,000,000$4,000,000
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UFA - 4
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
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UFA - 2
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C, LW
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LD
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UFA - 1
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LD
RFA - 1
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RD
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
G
UFA - 1
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LD/RD, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
UFA - 2
$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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LD
UFA - 1

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Jul. 30, 2020 at 11:55 a.m.
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Rangers 2023
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We're getting rid of 1, no more, no less
Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:00 p.m.
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The only way to move Lundqvist is to take a bad deal back in return.
Not sure in VAN is a good fit, but do you think CGY would be interested in a deal involving Lucic and Lundqvist? VAN already has a #1 in Markstrom
Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:02 p.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
The only way to move Lundqvist is to take a bad deal back in return.
Not sure in VAN is a good fit, but do you think CGY would be interested in a deal involving Lucic and Lundqvist? VAN already has a #1 in Markstrom


Something like that is what I was thinking. Send him to a team that needs a #1, and possible get a vet in return. I just picked VAN. CALG fits too
Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:06 p.m.
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Wings pass. Scoring goals is their issue so why trade a goal scorer for a goalie? This year there are alot of UFA goalies and wings have cap space. Why would they trade apiece of need for another piece of need, it is like robbing closing one hole and opening another.
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Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:07 p.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
The only way to move Lundqvist is to take a bad deal back in return.
Not sure in VAN is a good fit, but do you think CGY would be interested in a deal involving Lucic and Lundqvist? VAN already has a #1 in Markstrom


Rangers would never do that. The idea that Lucic and Lundqvist are even close in value is kind of unbelievable
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Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:07 p.m.
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Canes keep Necas
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Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:08 p.m.
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Wings pass. Scoring goals is their issue so why trade a goal scorer for a goalie? This year there are alot of UFA goalies and wings have cap space. Why would they trade apiece of need for another piece of need, it is like robbing closing one hole and opening another.


Value wise too that is considerably off. Mantha is a damn fine hockey player, and, not that Georgiev is not, but goalies always seem to be valued less, so that is not even close to getting Mantha.
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Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:10 p.m.
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I certainly like the idea of getting rid of LE with 2 years left for Hank with 1, but for $2.5 (give or take) cheaper we can keep Markstrom. Also hoping OJ can push for a spot this coming season, so for those reasons, Van declines.
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Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:12 p.m.
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Rangers would never do that. The idea that Lucic and Lundqvist are even close in value is kind of unbelievable


If they were *both* going into the last year of their contracts, it might make a bit of sense, because the Rags would clear off $2.5 mil in space by getting rid of a goalie that is pretty much done, but yeah, taking on 3 more years of Lucic is a huuuuuge no.
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Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:13 p.m.
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None of these trades go through.

Don't know if you over value Georgiev or under value mantha but it takes more than a 3rd to get that deal done.

Why would carolina give up Necas who is already much better than strome? Nobody is gonna be fooled by stromes one good year that panarin dragged out of him.

And Vancouver just simply doesn't need a goalie.
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Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:15 p.m.
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I'm not sure how anyone thinks Georgiev (him of the 3.00GAA average in his NHL career in 77 games) is worth an Anthony Mantha-type player, let alone any top 6/top 4 player.
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Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:16 p.m.
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It'll take a lot more than Georgiev and a 3rd to get you Mantha
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Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:16 p.m.
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Quoting: Jambo
Rangers would never do that. The idea that Lucic and Lundqvist are even close in value is kind of unbelievable


You clearly didnt understand my thought process.
Lundqvist will be an overpaid 39yr old goaltender whos been on the decline for two years (actually look at the numbers).
In order to move Lundqvist, you need to take back another teams cap dump (AGM here proposed Eriksson from VAN).
I stated that CGY is probably a better fit than VAN as VAN already has a #1 in Markstrom, and CGY doesnt (and would like to dump Lucic).

Now read my post slowly. I never implied a 1 for 1 deal involving Lucic and Lundqvist, I stated a deal involving those pieces + are a better fit than a deal with VAN
Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
If they were *both* going into the last year of their contracts, it might make a bit of sense, because the Rags would clear off $2.5 mil in space by getting rid of a goalie that is pretty much done, but yeah, taking on 3 more years of Lucic is a huuuuuge no.


The comparison is taking back:
2 yrs x 6mil for Eriksson
vs
3 yrs x5.25mil for Lucic

Yes the 1 year extra sucks, but its 750k less and Im confident Lucic will be more productive than Eriksson
Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:22 p.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
The comparison is taking back:
2 yrs x 6mil for Eriksson
vs
3 yrs x5.25mil for Lucic

Yes the 1 year extra sucks, but its 750k less and Im confident Lucic will be more productive than Eriksson


True, but they'd be better off skipping the whole thing by just buying Hank out. They save the $3 mil in year one, and have a very modest $1.5 mil hit in year 2.
Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.
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Edited Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:35 p.m.
Quoting: Lenny7
True, but they'd be better off skipping the whole thing by just buying Hank out. They save the $3 mil in year one, and have a very modest $1.5 mil hit in year 2.


Strange, when I create an AGM for the 2020-2021 season and buyout Lundqvist, it shows a 5.5mil cap hit year one and 1.5mil year two (EDIT) misread your original comment as the cap hit year 1 was 3mil, not the savings. 5.5 mil is alot to eat. youd save money on Lucic year one (getting him "free) and he'd only cost you 3.75mil year two (which isnt terrible value)
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Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:30 p.m.
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this team is weird.... I'm not sure your reasoning on a lot of this.
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Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:39 p.m.
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Strange, when I create an AGM for the 2020-2021 season and buyout Lundqvist, it shows a 5.5mil cap hit year one and 1.5mil year two


Yup, which would be $3 mil in saving in year one. I kind of typed it in weird by going with the savings as the first number, and the second year hit with the other grimace
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Jul. 30, 2020 at 12:39 p.m.
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Not only did you either undervalue Mantha or overvalue Georgiev but Mantha isn’t signing that contract. Carolina isn’t going to bite on that.
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Jul. 30, 2020 at 1:43 p.m.
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Must be a no from Wings, Georgiev does not have this value yet.
Jul. 30, 2020 at 1:45 p.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
The only way to move Lundqvist is to take a bad deal back in return.
Not sure in VAN is a good fit, but do you think CGY would be interested in a deal involving Lucic and Lundqvist? VAN already has a #1 in Markstrom


Why would Lundqvist, who loves NYC, waive his clause?
Jul. 30, 2020 at 1:47 p.m.
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Lolol you forgot to add in kakko, DeAngelo, fox, shesterkin, Andersson, chityl, both firsts this year, Miller and kravtsov to the wings deal
Jul. 30, 2020 at 2:07 p.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
You clearly didnt understand my thought process.
Lundqvist will be an overpaid 39yr old goaltender whos been on the decline for two years (actually look at the numbers).
In order to move Lundqvist, you need to take back another teams cap dump (AGM here proposed Eriksson from VAN).
I stated that CGY is probably a better fit than VAN as VAN already has a #1 in Markstrom, and CGY doesnt (and would like to dump Lucic).

Now read my post slowly. I never implied a 1 for 1 deal involving Lucic and Lundqvist, I stated a deal involving those pieces + are a better fit than a deal with VAN


ok sure. CGY definitely would be a better fit just based on goalie need. But no matter the package I think the rangers can't afford to bring in Lucic in return for 3 years. Just too awful a contract. If taking on Lucic in any fashion from CGY is involved the Rangers can't do it
Jul. 30, 2020 at 3:12 p.m.
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Detroit laughs
Jul. 30, 2020 at 10:05 p.m.
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Ranger fans apparently still 1994 dreaming......NO from Detroit
 
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