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I know they won’t move him but if they did, is this enough? Heinola is going to be a top pairing d-man imo and Dobson is too. Poolman is fringe top 4/excellent 3rd pairing d-man and hickey is a cap dump. What needs to be adjusted? I’m not by any means trying to buy low on Dobson, in fact I don’t think his value has dropped significantly if any. But heinola is also very good so maybe the isles move from a position of strength to one of relative weakness. Pulock is their best d-man right now, but heinola would rival him in the coming years and hey would make an elite top pairing imo. While JoMo and Dobson or Samberg and Dobson would be equally as good. What needs to be added if the isles did decide to move on from Dobson?

Beaulieu takes another discount, could be anyone though.
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Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:10 p.m.
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Hear me out

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Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:15 p.m.
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I wouldn’t do this trade if WPG added their 2020 1st. I think heinola will be very good, but I don’t think he’ll be better than Dobson. I see heinola as a #3, dobson has #1 potential.

Pulock has more name value around the league, but toews is arguably our best defenseman.
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Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:16 p.m.
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Thank you for you thoughtful insight. However, if they do decide to move Dobson, would this be of interest to the isles?

I would also be willing to move the 2020 1st straight up for him if we don’t win the lottery.
Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:17 p.m.
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I wouldn’t do this trade if WPG added their 2020 1st. I think heinola will be very good, but I don’t think he’ll be better than Dobson. I see heinola as a #3, dobson has #1 potential.

Pulock has more name value around the league, but toews is arguably our best defenseman.


Fair enough. Would you do say 12 oa for Dobson straight up?

I disagree on heinola tho. I see him as #2 if he doesn’t improve his speed too much and #1 if he does. He is really smart with the puck. Think heiskanen but without the top end speed. If he does improve his speed, he will be just like heiskanen. (Not only me who says this btw, many scouts did before his draft)
Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:18 p.m.
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Thank you for you thoughtful insight. However, if they do decide to move Dobson, would this be of interest to the isles?

I would also be willing to move the 2020 1st straight up for him if we don’t win the lottery.


No it would not
Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:19 p.m.
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Fair enough. Would you do say 12 oa for Dobson straight up?


Probably not. Dobson is that defenseman that GM look for in every draft and they are extremely hard to find. Elite four way mobility for a 6’4 dman, great shutdown defenseman and drives play offensively at a pretty high level. He’s probably the only isles prospect I’d consider untouchable
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Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:21 p.m.
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Probably not. Dobson is that defenseman that GM look for in every draft and they are extremely hard to find. Elite four way mobility for a 6’4 dman, great shutdown defenseman and drives play offensively at a pretty high level. He’s probably the only isles prospect I’d consider untouchable


Fair enough. Just wanted to see.i really wanted the jets to go after him and trade a guy like myers/Trouba to get a pick around 12 for him in 2018. Always loved his game. But yeah, I get it.

Now, say the isles wanted to move on from him (for whatever hypothetical reason), does this offer sound interesting?
Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:22 p.m.
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While it’s an interesting idea I wouldn’t do it. LHD isn’t really a position of weakness. Toews is very solid and I love Pelech, and he has great chemistry with Pulock. A future top 4 d of Toews-Dobson Pelech-Pulock is not something I want to mess with. Bode Wilde is a guy I’d be willing to trade. He has an injury plauged year but I still see a bright future with him. Problem with that is, Wilde’s value will most likely be used to move one of our crappy contracts. NYI isn’t really in a position to make many trades besides ones that dump salary. I don’t think the Jets should trade Heinola anyway, he’s going to be great
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Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:23 p.m.
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Fair enough. Just wanted to see.i really wanted the jets to go after him and trade a guy like myers/Trouba to get a pick around 12 for him in 2018. Always loved his game.


I would trade pulock for ehlers
Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:26 p.m.
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I would trade pulock for ehlers


I don’t think the jets do that right now at least. If they get laf it’s a different story. But right now, I wouldn’t trade him since he is part of the top 6 and we don’t really have anyone to step into his spot (Roslovic sure but in a year)

Now, say the isles wanted to move on from him (for whatever hypothetical reason), does this offer sound interesting?
Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:28 p.m.
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While it’s an interesting idea I wouldn’t do it. LHD isn’t really a position of weakness. Toews is very solid and I love Pelech, and he has great chemistry with Pulock. A future top 4 d of Toews-Dobson Pelech-Pulock is not something I want to mess with. Bode Wilde is a guy I’d be willing to trade. He has an injury plauged year but I still see a bright future with him. Problem with that is, Wilde’s value will most likely be used to move one of our crappy contracts. NYI isn’t really in a position to make many trades besides ones that dump salary. I don’t think the Jets should trade Heinola anyway, he’s going to be great


The goal was to move a ld with similar potential for a bigger rd. Long term the jets can only fit one of Samberg and heinola in their top 4 and the jets can’t have all 4 defensemen undersized so heinola is the odd man out unless he proves to be elite.
Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:30 p.m.
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Fair enough. Just wanted to see.i really wanted the jets to go after him and trade a guy like myers/Trouba to get a pick around 12 for him in 2018. Always loved his game. But yeah, I get it.

Now, say the isles wanted to move on from him (for whatever hypothetical reason), does this offer sound interesting?


The only way I’d move pulock is for a top line winger.
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Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:31 p.m.
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The goal was to move a ld with similar potential for a bigger rd. Long term the jets can only fit one of Samberg and heinola in their top 4 and the jets can’t have all 4 defensemen undersized so heinola is the odd man out unless he proves to be elite.


I’d just trade Samberg then tbh
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Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:33 p.m.
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The only way I’d move pulock is for a top line winger.


That post was for Dobson. But fair enough, I get what you are saying
Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:34 p.m.
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I’d just trade Samberg then tbh


“Can’t have all 4 defensemen as undersized”. I think Samberg can be a top pairing guy and he would be great next to pionk. Even if he doesn’t become top pairing, he will be a very good shutdown too 4 d-man who will again, be great next to pionk.

Just based on the current build, heinola seems like the odd man out. Again, if he becomes elite, it’s a different story
Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:34 p.m.
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That post was for Dobson. But fair enough, I get what you are saying


Oh I thought you were asking in your last comment if I would be willing to trade pulock for the same package you proposed for dobson
Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:36 p.m.
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Oh I thought you were asking in your last comment if I would be willing to trade pulock for the same package you proposed for dobson


No, I wouldn’t. trading a prospect for a prospect is one thing, but you don’t trade an established top pairing d-man for just a high end prospect. In fact, I would t even do pulock for Dobson straight up for example. Too many unknowns.
Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:39 p.m.
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“Can’t have all 4 defensemen as undersized”. I think Samberg can be a top pairing guy and he would be great next to pionk. Even if he doesn’t become top pairing, he will be a very good shutdown too 4 d-man who will again, be great next to pionk.

Just based on the current build, heinola seems like the odd man out. Again, if he becomes elite, it’s a different story


Ah I didn’t see that, but I think if you pair one of them with DeMelo, it’s fine, he’ll protect his partner, and put Pionk w the other one. I don’t think that’s bad. And if you can package Samberg with others for a good 2C, Jets r set for a while
Aug. 2, 2020 at 2:59 p.m.
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Ah I didn’t see that, but I think if you pair one of them with DeMelo, it’s fine, he’ll protect his partner, and put Pionk w the other one. I don’t think that’s bad. And if you can package Samberg with others for a good 2C, Jets r set for a while


It will be fine for the regular season but when it comes to playoffs, the backend is too small imo. However, if heinola is willing to move to his offside, then there are no issues imo. A top 4 of:
JoMo-pionk
Samberg-heinola
This would be very good imo. Size shouldn't be much of an issue. But that’s only if heinola is willing to move to his off side
Could also do something like
JoMo-pionk
Heinola-______
The blank would be a bigger rd (a la Dobson/pulock)

The d needs to be fixed before the 2c position though.
Aug. 2, 2020 at 3:17 p.m.
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Fair enough. Just wanted to see.i really wanted the jets to go after him and trade a guy like myers/Trouba to get a pick around 12 for him in 2018. Always loved his game. But yeah, I get it.

Now, say the isles wanted to move on from him (for whatever hypothetical reason), does this offer sound interesting?


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I don’t think the jets do that right now at least. If they get laf it’s a different story. But right now, I wouldn’t trade him since he is part of the top 6 and we don’t really have anyone to step into his spot (Roslovic sure but in a year)

Now, say the isles wanted to move on from him (for whatever hypothetical reason), does this offer sound interesting?


I'll answer you question, No the propsed trade would not interest the Islanders even if they were considering moving Dobson. The Islanders would not trade him for another defensive prospect. They have those, The only kind of deal that would interest the Islanders is a sure-fire top line scorer. That is what the Islanders lack. The Islanders refused to include Dobson in trade for Stone.
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Aug. 2, 2020 at 3:31 p.m.
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It will be fine for the regular season but when it comes to playoffs, the backend is too small imo. However, if heinola is willing to move to his offside, then there are no issues imo. A top 4 of:
JoMo-pionk
Samberg-heinola
This would be very good imo. Size shouldn't be much of an issue. But that’s only if heinola is willing to move to his off side
Could also do something like
JoMo-pionk
Heinola-______
The blank would be a bigger rd (a la Dobson/pulock)

The d needs to be fixed before the 2c position though.


I see what ur saying, I don’t think Dobson would be the target though. Maybe Jokiharju or Lundkqvist could work, but I’m not sure. I think I’d hold onto Samberg and Heinola for another season to see how each progress
Aug. 2, 2020 at 3:56 p.m.
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I see what ur saying, I don’t think Dobson would be the target though. Maybe Jokiharju or Lundkqvist could work, but I’m not sure. I think I’d hold onto Samberg and Heinola for another season to see how each progress


I think that unless they can get a prospect for prospect swap like this, they should let them both play out their elc’s, then make a decision

Same thing with lunquvist though, he isn’t big. Jokiharju isn’t really big either and buffalo won’t move him
Aug. 2, 2020 at 4:03 p.m.
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My understanding is that Winnipeg's second-round pick is virtually locked in at #48 and Detroit's third-rounder is #63. That's only a half-round upgrade, and I don't think that persuades Yzerman to take Perreault and Hickey off your hands.
Aug. 2, 2020 at 4:05 p.m.
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Lol what is that Islanders trade? Give up one of Laine, Connor, Ehlers and we'll talk
 
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