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Created by: hockeygm
Initial Creation Date: Aug 3, 2020
Published: Aug 3, 2020 at 9:35
Team: 2020-21 Arizona Coyotes
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Fischer, Christian2$1,000,000
Hinostroza, Vinnie2$2,250,000
Mantha, Anthony5$6,000,000
Svechnikov, Evgeny2$875,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hall, Taylor5$8,500,000
Granlund, Mikael2$3,750,000
Schultz, Justin2$3,000,000
Smith, Mike1$1,000,000
Trades
ARI
  1. Mantha, Anthony [RFA Rights]
  2. Svechnikov, Evgeny [RFA Rights]
DET
  1. Schmaltz, Nick
  2. Speers, Blake [RFA Rights]
ARI
  1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
PHI
  1. Capobianco, Kyle [RFA Rights]
  2. Pettersson, Emil [Reserve List]
ARI
  1. Abramov, Vitaly
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (CBJ)
OTT
  1. Raanta, Antti
ARI
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (TOR)
  2. 2021 4th round pick (CGY)
LAK
  1. Goligoski, Alex
ARI
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (EDM)
CGY
  1. Demers, Jason
ARI
  1. Green, Luke
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Stepan, Derek
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
ARI
EDM
ARI
ARI
ARI
ARI
2021
ARI
ARI
CBJ
TOR
WPG
ARI
PIT
CGY
ARI
ARI
ARI
2022
ARI
ARI
ARI
ARI
ARI
ARI
ARI
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$85,500,000$79,793,618$196,951$2,750,000$5,706,382
Left WingCenterRight Wing
ARI
Hall, Taylor
$8,500,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 1
ARI
Keller, Clayton
$7,150,000
RW, LW
UFA - 8
ARI
Kessel, Phil
$6,800,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
ARI
Dvorak, Christian
$4,450,000
C, LW
UFA - 5
Granlund, Mikael
$3,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Mantha, Anthony
$6,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
ARI
Grabner, Michael
$3,350,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
ARI
Hayton, Barrett
$894,167
C, LW
RFA - 2
ARI
Garland, Conor
$775,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
ARI
Crouse, Lawson
$1,533,333
LW
RFA - 2
ARI
Fischer, Christian
$1,000,000
RW
RFA - 2
ARI
Hinostroza, Vinnie
$2,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
ARI
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
$8,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
ARI
Söderström, Victor
$894,167
RD
RFA - 3
ARI
Kuemper, Darcy
$4,500,000
G
UFA - 2
PHI
Gostisbehere, Shayne
$4,500,000
LD
UFA - 3
ARI
Hjalmarsson, Niklas
$5,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 1
Smith, Mike
$1,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
ARI
Chychrun, Jakob
$4,600,000
LD
UFA - 5
Schultz, Justin
$3,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
ARI
Oesterle, Jordan
$1,400,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ARI
Hossa, Marián
$5,275,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 1

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Aug 3, 2020 at 9:38
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Seider53
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Please explain why Detroit would do this?
Aug 3, 2020 at 9:40
#2
chloewoj
burn the pegulas
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yzerman chuckles
Aug 3, 2020 at 9:47
#3
ALitteral
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Thanks, no thanks from the Flyers. We have no need to give up Ghost without getting a real asset in return.
Aug 3, 2020 at 9:51
#4
buffbry
Buffbry
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You forgot chycryn, dvorak, Keller, soderstrom
Aug 3, 2020 at 10:06
#5
Mike
Red Wing Nut
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Yzerman blocks ur number on caller ID til AZ gets new GM..lol
Aug 3, 2020 at 10:07
#6
DiehardRedWingsFan58
Go Wings Go
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Yzerman laugh and blocks your number
Aug 3, 2020 at 10:12
#7
Jfstompers
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You know I dont think the detroit deal is so crazy. Mantha for schmaltz isn't a bad base to start with. Manthas inability to stay healthy has me worried really. If they did sell him I think they can do better than this deal though.
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Aug 3, 2020 at 10:21
#8
SevenLeg
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Quoting: ALitteral
Thanks, no thanks from the Flyers. We have no need to give up Ghost without getting a real asset in return.


Its not a wonderful return but hasn't he been an healthy scratch recently? At this point you're getting rid of a bad contract for a decent 6th-7th dman in Capobianco
Aug 3, 2020 at 10:27
#9
hockeygm
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hockeygm
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Quoting: ALitteral
Thanks, no thanks from the Flyers. We have no need to give up Ghost without getting a real asset in return.


He can’t crack their lineup and has a 4.5M cap for the next 3 seasons. They want his salary gone.
Aug 3, 2020 at 10:28
#10
hockeygm
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hockeygm
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Quoting: Seider53
Please explain why Detroit would do this?


Player who is the same age and has already been a consistent 50 point producer. He is signed long term with a low cap. Mantha’s health is a liability and they’d rather have a playmaker with long term and affordable cap.
Aug 3, 2020 at 10:28
#11
cgy_flame_fan
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flames decline, his cap hit is 2 big
Aug 3, 2020 at 10:29
#12
hockeygm
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Quoting: SevenLeg
Its not a wonderful return but hasn't he been an healthy scratch recently? At this point you're getting rid of a bad contract for a decent 6th-7th dman in Capobianco


Capobianco is 22 and has done well in the AHL. Just a way to get rid of his cap and get 2 young players in return.
Aug 3, 2020 at 10:29
#13
hockeygm
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hockeygm
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Quoting: cgy_flame_fan
flames decline, his cap hit is 2 big


It’s not. They’re in dire need of a RH D man. He fits perfectly.
Aug 3, 2020 at 10:30
#14
hockeygm
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Quoting: Jfstompers
You know I dont think the detroit deal is so crazy. Mantha for schmaltz isn't a bad base to start with. Manthas inability to stay healthy has me worried really. If they did sell him I think they can do better than this deal though.


What’re you thinking should be added for your liking.
Aug 3, 2020 at 10:32
#15
cgy_flame_fan
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Quoting: hockeygm
It’s not. They’re in dire need of a RH D man. He fits perfectly.


he would b a great partner for valimaki, but check this out https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2021/points/all/defense/all/desc/1/right
Aug 3, 2020 at 10:35
#16
hockeygm
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Quoting: cgy_flame_fan
he would b a great partner for valimaki, but check this out https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2021/points/all/defense/all/desc/1/right


They won’t be able to offer sheet any RFA. FA’s will have a tough time wanting to go there.
Aug 3, 2020 at 10:39
#17
cgy_flame_fan
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Quoting: hockeygm
They won’t be able to offer sheet any RFA. FA’s will have a tough time wanting to go there.


?, why would ufa rd not want 2 sign in cgy?
Aug 3, 2020 at 10:49
#18
ALitteral
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Quoting: hockeygm
He can’t crack their lineup and has a 4.5M cap for the next 3 seasons. They want his salary gone.


He can crack our lineup and is one year removed from ~40pts. He had two knee surgeries this year and if you watched our games, you'd be able to see the explosiveness just wast there. He is back and playing well. I am not interested in trading him as a salary dump.

Also, if he can't crack the lineup, why is he on your 2nd pair? Are you claiming that Hagg is better than Ghost because he's playing right now? If so, feel free to make an offer for him. It's probably close to what you are offering.
Aug 3, 2020 at 10:53
#19
ALitteral
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Quoting: SevenLeg
Its not a wonderful return but hasn't he been an healthy scratch recently? At this point you're getting rid of a bad contract for a decent 6th-7th dman in Capobianco


Semi-healthy... he came back from a knee procedure and still wasn't right. Then the team rolled off 10 in a row and the lineup didnt change. That brings us to the shut down and a second knee cleaning. Since the start of camp, his movement has been noticeably better. I'm not interested in the cap dump. There is money to save other places (JVR, Raffl). If there is a fair trade hockey trade out there, I'd look, but not this.
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Aug 3, 2020 at 11:09
#20
hockeygm
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hockeygm
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Quoting: cgy_flame_fan
?, why would ufa rd not want 2 sign in cgy?


No cap.
Aug 3, 2020 at 12:31
#21
Seider53
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Quoting: hockeygm
Player who is the same age and has already been a consistent 50 point producer. He is signed long term with a low cap. Mantha’s health is a liability and they’d rather have a playmaker with long term and affordable cap.


'health is a liability' No it isnt. He injured his hand fighting twice, and was slew footed by Muzzin. There is no underlying injury history, dude's just unlucky. Mantha is arguably the most talented guy on Detroit, Schmaltz would not be. simple reason for an easy decline. If we are trading Mantha, it is for an asset, or collection of assets that have the potential to be worth more than Mantha is now.
Aug 3, 2020 at 12:47
#22
Jfstompers
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Quoting: hockeygm
What’re you thinking should be added for your liking.


I'm not sure exactly. Detroit would want keller for mantha and arizona would say no we'll give you schmaltz so Idk where you go from there. If they moved mantha for a center I think there are better trade partners.
Aug 3, 2020 at 2:50
#23
hockeygm
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Quoting: Jfstompers
I'm not sure exactly. Detroit would want keller for mantha and arizona would say no we'll give you schmaltz so Idk where you go from there. If they moved mantha for a center I think there are better trade partners.


If need be, they'd include Garland as well.
 
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