If you could actually read the chart, this makes it worse, not better. The only thing Johnson is good at is being on the ice in the offensive zone, because he might make a pass that will lead to a goal/assist.

You seriously can't tell me that Jack Johnson should be anywhere near a trade for someone like Mitch Marner, because his stats from Columbus (maybe his stats from Columbus, you decided to conveniently cut out the title) were decent based on an outdated statistical model.

His primary partner has been Letang this season. He's barely played with Marino.

How is Marner not a top guy?



And what indicates that he isn't a hard worker or is arrogant? He held out because he thought he could get paid, just like Nylander did (and guys like Trouba in the past). As much as that is frustrating for the Leafs and their fans, it's his right to do so and at the end of the day they reached a settlement which left the player and the team happy. I don't know, or quite frankly care, about how "arrogant" or hardworking he is, because he puts up points and helps the team on the ice. His numbers speak for themselves.

And besides, if you think they could find someone with that "mentality," who would that player be?

Well for most of this season, Letang's played the same way as Schultz. Irresponsible defensively & taking lots of risks the other way. Doesn't support Johnson's game. My idea of trading Johnson as a central piece for Marner is not necessarily because Johnson is good, but moreso a testament to how little value Marner has.

I never denied that he's a top player. Obviously, he is but it's not hard to see that he's lazy & arrogant. Every game he tries to pull highlight-reel plays & kills the momentum when he can't generate anything. He won't make any adjustments to simplify his game. Yeah, he's putting up points & generating scoring chances but you need to contribute more than that to make a difference in the playoffs. An example with the mentality to win would be Patric Hornqvist, whom I traded for. He'll do anything to sacrifice his team & was rightfully rewarded with 2 Stanley Cups.

The fact you think Marner has so little value is asinine.

Have you seen the way he's been playing this season? Just lets the opposition push him around so easily. Makes no effort to build momentum for his team. What kinda GM wants him, especially at 11 million?

Ok, I’m not sure if I’m the first one, but I’m gonna play devil’s advocate here. Marner is an amazing player, what I feel a lot of people don’t understand, is that there is more than one way to play the game of hockey. You could be a hard checking, dump and chase player like Hyman and Clifford (love them both). Or you could be a skilled player that thrives on creating space for himself and others. Not knocking the points that everyone has made to trade him, and I’ll agree that he didn’t look as good this year as he did in years previous, but I’d bet money that people were looking at him much more closely this year because of his contract (some hoping that he makes a mistake to “prove” that Dubas doesn’t know what he’s doing). What I would absolutely love to do for next year (if Dubas doesn’t trade him, I’m not an insider so I wouldn’t know) is play him with Robertson and Kerfoot. Not only would this get him away from the other teams top lines, and a better chance to thrive, but it would also help Robertson succeed in his rookie year, while also (hopefully) boost Kerfoot’s numbers to be more like Kadri’s the year before he was dealt.