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DET - Would you do it

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Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 3, 2020
Published: Aug. 3, 2020
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Let's say our pick is #9.
If Detroit wants Askarov, they still draft before Chicago.
Plus, they get an early 2nd rounder + a futur very solid top4 LD
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They move back 5 spots, plus still getting their player. Allows Habs to fill their biggest need by drafting Drysdale.
What should we add more ? (Forget Romanov and Caufield)
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Aug. 3, 2020 at 7:34 p.m.
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If Detroit wants a young, quality goaltender, all they have to do is ask Vancouver for Demko in exchange for taking Eriksson. I don't see a lot of incentive for Detroit to pass up their choice of Raymond or Rossi in exchange for Askarov.
Aug. 3, 2020 at 7:35 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
If Detroit wants a young, quality goaltender, all they have to do is ask Vancouver for Demko in exchange for taking Eriksson. I don't see a lot of incentive for Detroit to pass up their choice of Raymond or Rossi in exchange for Askarov.


Askarov and Demko are not in the same league... One is a lot better than the other
Aug. 3, 2020 at 7:41 p.m.
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Askarov and Demko are not in the same league... One is a lot better than the other


Yeah, one's a proven NHL goaltender and the other is a prospect in the Russian equivalent to the AHL. Demko is currently miles ahead of Askarov.
Aug. 3, 2020 at 7:44 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Yeah, one's a proven NHL goaltender and the other is a prospect in the Russian equivalent to the AHL. Demko is currently miles ahead of Askarov.


There are around 7 years that separate the 2. In 7 years, probably that Askarov will have some votes for the Vezina trophy, if he's not a finalist. Demko will never have that in his career. Detroit is really not rushed to win, they are still at the start of their rebuild.
Aug. 3, 2020 at 7:50 p.m.
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Its more about the price for MTL to move up rather than what Detroit would take to move back. Moving into the top 5 would cost one of your better prospects, not necessarily Caufield, but a guy like Harris maybe
Aug. 3, 2020 at 7:52 p.m.
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Quoting: SlickWilly
Its more about the price for MTL to move up rather than what Detroit would take to move back. Moving into the top 5 would cost one of your better prospects, not necessarily Caufield, but a guy like Harris maybe


Harris would be fine. IMO, Harris' value is very similar to Struble. They are both futur solid top 4 left dman. I wouldn't mind switching them. Anyway, Habs will have too many top4 left d in a few years (Struble, Romanov, Norlinder, Harris, Mete...)
Aug. 3, 2020 at 7:54 p.m.
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There are around 7 years that separate the 2. In 7 years, probably that Askarov will have some votes for the Vezina trophy, if he's not a finalist. Demko will never have that in his career. Detroit is really not rushed to win, they are still at the start of their rebuild.


Demko is an NHL asset today and hardly older than the core Detroit is building. He's immediately their starter now, and if they're hard up for a goaltender by this time next year, Jesper Wallstedt is very much an option at next years' draft. If the Red Wings aren't drafting Raty, or are bumped out of the lottery entirely, is there going to be a forward available to them equal to Raymond or Rossi?

Here's a quick lesson in dealing with the known asset: Ottawa selected Tkachuk and took the risk on their 2019 pick because they knew exactly what they were dealing with in front of them.Tkachuk was the known variable, they didn't even know where their pick the year following would fall. If a team has the choice of a strong goaltender today and a premiere forward or one that COULD be better 4-5 years down the road with the gamble on next years' draft, you're more apt to take the guy today plus Raymond/Rossi. One or two ill-timed hot streaks and Detroit could be looking at picking between #6-8.
Aug. 3, 2020 at 8:08 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Demko is an NHL asset today and hardly older than the core Detroit is building. He's immediately their starter now, and if they're hard up for a goaltender by this time next year, Jesper Wallstedt is very much an option at next years' draft. If the Red Wings aren't drafting Raty, or are bumped out of the lottery entirely, is there going to be a forward available to them equal to Raymond or Rossi?

Here's a quick lesson in dealing with the known asset: Ottawa selected Tkachuk and took the risk on their 2019 pick because they knew exactly what they were dealing with in front of them.Tkachuk was the known variable, they didn't even know where their pick the year following would fall. If a team has the choice of a strong goaltender today and a premiere forward or one that COULD be better 4-5 years down the road with the gamble on next years' draft, you're more apt to take the guy today plus Raymond/Rossi. One or two ill-timed hot streaks and Detroit could be looking at picking between #6-8.


From what I saw, people seem to be very hyped with the dman for next year (Hughues, Clarke, Power...), but there are always good forwards. As good as Rossi and Raymond are, they are not as good as Raty or Lafrenière. If I was them, and IF they believe Askarov is the player they want (Yzerman is great for surprises) and he's still available at 9, I don't see why they wouldn't take him. They may even take him at 4 if they like him. Remember last year, they could have traded down at least 5 spots and still got Seider, but they decided not to.

Edit : The truth is that Askarov will be one of the 5 best goalies in the league in his prime, and as I said, Detroit will be in rebuild for many other years. Goalie take longer to develop, so why not take him this year, and stack forward in the years to come.
Aug. 3, 2020 at 8:09 p.m.
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If jumped up to 4 and picked Drysdale I’d figuratively jump off a cliff. With holtz/perfetti/Rossi on the board you don’t take Drysdale
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Aug. 3, 2020 at 8:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Suzuki_Cup
From what I saw, people seem to be very hyped with the dman for next year (Hughues, Clarke, Power...), but there are always good forwards. As good as Rossi and Raymond are, they are not as good as Raty or Lafrenière. If I was them, and IF they believe Askarov is the player they want (Yzerman is great for surprises) and he's still available at 9, I don't see why they wouldn't take him. They may even take him at 4 if they like him. Remember last year, they could have traded down at least 5 spots and still got Seider, but they decided not to.

Edit : The truth is that Askarov will be one of the 5 best goalies in the league in his prime, and as I said, Detroit will be in rebuild for many other years. Goalie take longer to develop, so why not take him this year, and stack forward in the years to come.


Luke Hughes might go mid-first round. Clarke and Power are currently a step ahead of him and it would take a massive year for Hughes to jump.

Let's look as Vasilevskiy as a rough comparable for Askarov: an absolute stud between the pipes, without argue one of the top-five goaltenders in their prime. He's also been a massive detriment to the Lightning due to his cap hit: all of their eggs are in one basket, and when Andrei falters, the entire team does. Having the best goaltender rarely results in Stanley Cup victories. Having the strongest tandem however, at the very least puts you in the conversation. I'm not saying Askarov will immediately price himself similarly to Vasi upon his ELC ending, but how much of a difference in either the standings, the playoffs, or in general (ie: wins above replacement or goals saved above average) does Askarov+general backup net Detroit over a potential Demko-Wallstedt tandem?

Goaltenders are super, super important to NHL success but after a certain threshold they aren't worth vast investments. A pair of goaltenders reliably capable of giving a team .918-.925 performances are likely more valuable than one goaltender that hits .933-.950 but has very little behind him in terms of support. If sports science, and thus the teams that subscribe to the data it provides, are opting to move towards a two-goaltender, 41 games apiece approach, I cannot justify passing up on a dynamic forward for the extra 1-2% difference in sv% Askarov might offer over Demko.
Aug. 3, 2020 at 8:26 p.m.
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Honestly a team should never waste a high pick on goalies. They're such a fickle breed. Imo picking a goalie with a high pick is only sensible when you have a semi solid prospect pool as it is and you're lacking a goalie - then it's worth the risk. FLA had this with Knight last year. DET is in no such state. They absolutely need a solid skater prospect now - a dependable goalie they can find from free agency if necessary, but I wouldn't waste the pick on a goalie in any circumstances if I were Yzerman.

I'd take Drysdale 4th and develop some great defensemen. Think the wisest thing to do is taking the best player available and imo Drysdale is that behind the TOP3.
Aug. 3, 2020 at 8:48 p.m.
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A team hasn’t willingly trade a top 5 pick since 2008. If I’m going from 4 to 9 I’m asking for something that’s going to sting like 9OV + 2021/2022 1st since Romanov and Caufield are off the table and even then I’m iffy.
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Aug. 3, 2020 at 9:04 p.m.
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Nobody gonna ask how we decided that Struble was considered to be a “future very solid top 4 dman”?

Think Detroit would prefer this years 1st plus next years 1st to do this...
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Aug. 3, 2020 at 9:09 p.m.
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No not remotely enticing for Detroit
Aug. 3, 2020 at 9:25 p.m.
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Nobody gonna ask how we decided that Struble was considered to be a “future very solid top 4 dman”?

Think Detroit would prefer this years 1st plus next years 1st to do this...


There is no guarantee Struble signs in Detroit 3 more years at Northeastern and he can sign where he wants.
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Aug. 3, 2020 at 10:39 p.m.
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The thought of drafting a goalie instead of Rossi or Raymond or even Drysdale at 4 makes my head hurt.
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Aug. 4, 2020 at 6:17 a.m.
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There is no guarantee Struble signs in Detroit 3 more years at Northeastern and he can sign where he wants.


Also true. I'd also like to see his age 19 season at Northeastern before I run out and say that he's a guaranteed top 4.
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Aug. 4, 2020 at 6:52 a.m.
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The thought of drafting a goalie instead of Rossi or Raymond or even Drysdale at 4 makes my head hurt.


From what I've been reading here at CapFriendly would anyone be happy with their team taking Askarov in the first round?
 
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