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The Dougie Dilemma

Created by: TheCoontniac
Team: 2021-22 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 4, 2020
Published: Aug. 4, 2020
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I believe Dougie will stay a Cane.

Lets say Dougie plays a full season and puts up 70-75 points. I think he stays on the Canes for 9.75m at 8 years. Unless some team comes along at gives him 10.5m (which isnt likely IMO).

Lets say Dougie has one of the best season of a Dman in awhile 85+ points. I dont think he stays in Carolina. Someone will offer him that 10.5/11m contract which the Canes should not do.

Lets say Dougie 'only' puts up 40-50 points. As a Canes fan I would still pay him the 8-8.5m.

As much as I love Vatanen I dont think he will be on the Canes next year. He would be the perfect gu to fill Dougies spot if he doesnt resign.
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Aug. 4, 2020 at 8:04 a.m.
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The issue isn't Dougie. If it was just Dougie, we'd be fine, even giving him 11. The issue is that Svechnikov is up at the same time and there's no way in heaven or hell he takes 7 mil
Aug. 4, 2020 at 8:06 a.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
The issue isn't Dougie. If it was just Dougie, we'd be fine, even giving him 11. The issue is that Svechnikov is up at the same time and there's no way in heaven or hell he takes 7 mil


If we give Dougie 11 mil I quit being a hockey fan.

What makes you think he will get more than 7 mil on a bridge?

I look at Point as a comparable
Aug. 4, 2020 at 8:07 a.m.
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If we give Dougie 11 mil I quit being a hockey fan.

What makes you think he will get more than 7 mil on a bridge?


See how he's scored 2 lacrosse goals, got the first hat trick by a Cane or Whaler in the playoffs ever, and ya know is only 20? That's why.
Aug. 4, 2020 at 8:09 a.m.
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See how he's scored 2 lacrosse goals, got the first hat trick by a Cane or Whaler in the playoffs ever, and ya know is only 20? That's why.


Dang 2 lacrosse goals makes a difference wink

I mean we will see, but I think anything over 7m on a bridge is crazy... You might see 7.5
Aug. 4, 2020 at 8:12 a.m.
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Quoting: jslongo
Dang 2 lacrosse goals makes a difference wink

I mean we will see, but I think anything over 7m on a bridge is crazy... You might see 7.5


I'd expect 16 over 2 years. 3 years CANNOT happen because then you're re-signing the entire SAT line at the same time
Aug. 4, 2020 at 8:25 a.m.
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Quoting: jslongo
Dang 2 lacrosse goals makes a difference wink

I mean we will see, but I think anything over 7m on a bridge is crazy... You might see 7.5


If we're looking this far in advance, I could actually see them trying to go long term, to be honest. A 3 year bridge deal means that they have to resign him, Aho, and Teuvo all at the same time. That never ends well...

The whole (around) $7 mil thing worked for guys like Tkachuk and Point, and to a lesser extent McAvoy (not $7 mil), because, with the previous CBA, the qualifying offer after the bridge deal wasn't based on AAV, it was based on the salary in the last season of the deal (ie. Tkachuk=$9 mil).

So, on his next deal, Tkachuk either gets qualified for $9 mil, extended at $9 mil or above, or doesn't get qualified and becomes a FA. It will be interesting to see what changes will happen!
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Aug. 4, 2020 at 8:32 a.m.
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Josi just signed for a bit north of 9 (before Covid and the lat cap etc.) and he the best D in the NHL after Victor Hedman
Aug. 4, 2020 at 8:34 a.m.
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Quoting: jslongo
If we give Dougie 11 mil I quit being a hockey fan.

What makes you think he will get more than 7 mil on a bridge?

I look at Point as a comparable


Point might be fair comparable, but a potential offer sheet could certainly raise his salary. As good as Hamilton was this year, the Canes might only have the choice of either Hamilton or Svechnikov long term.
IMO the younger guy is the player to keep. Betcha the Kings and Sharks are going to have regrets signing Doughty and Karlsson to their expensive long term deals.
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Aug. 4, 2020 at 8:43 a.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
If we're looking this far in advance, I could actually see them trying to go long term, to be honest. A 3 year bridge deal means that they have to resign him, Aho, and Teuvo all at the same time. That never ends well...

The whole (around) $7 mil thing worked for guys like Tkachuk and Point, and to a lesser extent McAvoy (not $7 mil), because, with the previous CBA, the qualifying offer after the bridge deal wasn't based on AAV, it was based on the salary in the last season of the deal (ie. Tkachuk=$9 mil).

So, on his next deal, Tkachuk either gets qualified for $9 mil, extended at $9 mil or above, or doesn't get qualified and becomes a FA. It will be interesting to see what changes will happen!


Thanks for the feedback.

I longterm deal is probably in the Canes best interest because they can probably sign him for longterm cheaper right now than if they were to sign him again in 3 years.
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Aug. 4, 2020 at 8:45 a.m.
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Dougie and Svech sign matching 8 x 8.25 mil deals and the Step Brothers live on.
Aug. 4, 2020 at 9:12 a.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Point might be fair comparable, but a potential offer sheet could certainly raise his salary. As good as Hamilton was this year, the Canes might only have the choice of either Hamilton or Svechnikov long term.
IMO the younger guy is the player to keep. Betcha the Kings and Sharks are going to have regrets signing Doughty and Karlsson to their expensive long term deals.


These offensive D-men that sign long term, high AAV contracts when they're going into their 30's are a dangerous business. Pietrangelo buyers beware?
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Aug. 4, 2020 at 10:00 a.m.
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It will cost more than a 2022 2nd for Seattle to take Gardiner. Depending on which system Caro!in a uses, 7/3 or 8, Seattle would have to pass on Bean, Foegele, Morgan Geekie,Fleury. All better choices than Gardiner and a 2nd...
Aug. 4, 2020 at 10:18 a.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
These offensive D-men that sign long term, high AAV contracts when they're going into their 30's are a dangerous business. Pietrangelo buyers beware?


Dougie isn't really an OFD tho, he's still really really good defensively
Aug. 4, 2020 at 10:36 a.m.
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Dougie isn't really an OFD tho, he's still really really good defensively


Yeah, but so is Doughty (And Pietrangelo).
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Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:27 a.m.
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Quoting: Riley816
It will cost more than a 2022 2nd for Seattle to take Gardiner. Depending on which system Caro!in a uses, 7/3 or 8, Seattle would have to pass on Bean, Foegele, Morgan Geekie,Fleury. All better choices than Gardiner and a 2nd...


One of Foegele or Geekie will be protected... All depends if Fleury resigns in Carolina. And as you can see by this team, I did not resign Bean (we can trade him before hand, or let him walk).

So options could be limited for Seattle. The 2nd to take Gardiner would be a good deal for Seattle as they get a top 4d for their team (as much hate as Gardier gets, he could be very good on Seattle,(Vegas effect))
Aug. 5, 2020 at 7:36 p.m.
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Id say kyle conner is a comparable for svech mabye a bit higher pasta took less so u nvr know. On a side note what about laine and pionk 4 dougie w ext and pesce
 
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