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Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 4, 2020
Published: Aug. 4, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,300,000
3$5,100,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$7,000,000
3$3,700,000
1$1,100,000
1$800,000
1$800,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (PIT)
2.
TOR
PIT
  1. Marner, Mitchell ($800,000 retained)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$81,406,783$0$400,000$93,217
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 3
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 3
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 3
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$3,700,000$3,700,000
RW, LW
UFA - 7
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 1
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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$725,000$725,000
C
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
$5,100,000$5,100,000
RD
UFA - 6
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$894,167$894,167
LD
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
G
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$800,000$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 2

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Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:11 a.m.
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Edited Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:23 a.m.
Pens fans wouldn't trade Marino for Marner 1 for 1

Edit: you took out the first and retained and it's still not close. Marino is worth more than Marner and Rust is close to his value on his own. No idea why we package both for a 10M winger that hasn't broken 30 goals
Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:15 a.m.
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if you want anyone to take marner you’d have to retain salary. wait sh*t *shuffles papers* you guys can’t do that.
Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:19 a.m.
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TOR takes it and runs
Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:30 a.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
Pens fans wouldn't trade Marino for Marner 1 for 1

Edit: you took out the first and retained and it's still not close. Marino is worth more than Marner and Rust is close to his value on his own. No idea why we package both for a 10M winger that hasn't broken 30 goals


You're insane if you think Rust is close to Marner's value, I love Rusty and I like the Pens but you're way off on that. Not to mention, Marino isn't worth more than Marner. Could maybe see them having similar value cause of Marners contract but if Marner makes 9.5M (only 1.4M less) are any of us having this conversation? Plenty of players are paid 1-2M over their value but it doesn't make them as valueless as Marner apparently
Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:34 a.m.
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Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
You're insane if you think Rust is close to Marner's value, I love Rusty and I like the Pens but you're way off on that. Not to mention, Marino isn't worth more than Marner. Could maybe see them having similar value cause of Marners contract but if Marner makes 9.5M (only 1.4M less) are any of us having this conversation? Plenty of players are paid 1-2M over their value but it doesn't make them as valueless as Marner apparently


Marino is a rookie defenseman that has already proven he can play top-4 minutes and is under team control for >3 more seasons. He's worth a lot more than Marner, who can't even score 30 goals on the NHL's most loaded offense and is overpaid by 4M. He's already more proven than Seth Jones was when he was moved for Johansen. Rust is a point/game winger signed at a reasonable term for another two seasons. He has identical Corsi % and point/60 stats to Marner this season on a worse offense.... I think most GM's would rather have Rust at 3.5M than Marner at 10M, so yes he is at least in the conversation value-wise. Marner's contract alone lowers his value massively whereas Rust's raises his. All of this conversation is worthless as Rust and Marino would get moved for maybe five players in the league and Marner is not one of them.
Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:44 a.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
Marino is a rookie defenseman that has already proven he can play top-4 minutes and is under team control for >3 more seasons. He's worth a lot more than Marner, who can't even score 30 goals on the NHL's most loaded offense and is overpaid by 4M. He's already more proven than Seth Jones was when he was moved for Johansen. Rust is a point/game winger signed at a reasonable term for another two seasons. He has identical Corsi % and point/60 stats to Marner this season on a worse offense.... I think most GM's would rather have Rust at 3.5M than Marner at 10M, so yes he is at least in the conversation value-wise. Marner's contract alone lowers his value massively whereas Rust's raises his. All of this conversation is worthless as Rust and Marino would get moved for maybe five players in the league and Marner is not one of them.


you want to talk about overrating your teams players, then look no further than this post.
Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:49 a.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
Marino is a rookie defenseman that has already proven he can play top-4 minutes and is under team control for >3 more seasons. He's worth a lot more than Marner, who can't even score 30 goals on the NHL's most loaded offense and is overpaid by 4M. He's already more proven than Seth Jones was when he was moved for Johansen. Rust is a point/game winger signed at a reasonable term for another two seasons. He has identical Corsi % and point/60 stats to Marner this season on a worse offense.... I think most GM's would rather have Rust at 3.5M than Marner at 10M, so yes he is at least in the conversation value-wise. Marner's contract alone lowers his value massively whereas Rust's raises his. All of this conversation is worthless as Rust and Marino would get moved for maybe five players in the league and Marner is not one of them.


Your assessment on Rust is insane. This is his 1st year with over 1.00 ppg, so he doesnt deserved to be tabled as a ppg player
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Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:53 a.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
Marino is a rookie defenseman that has already proven he can play top-4 minutes and is under team control for >3 more seasons. He's worth a lot more than Marner, who can't even score 30 goals on the NHL's most loaded offense and is overpaid by 4M. He's already more proven than Seth Jones was when he was moved for Johansen. Rust is a point/game winger signed at a reasonable term for another two seasons. He has identical Corsi % and point/60 stats to Marner this season on a worse offense.... I think most GM's would rather have Rust at 3.5M than Marner at 10M, so yes he is at least in the conversation value-wise. Marner's contract alone lowers his value massively whereas Rust's raises his. All of this conversation is worthless as Rust and Marino would get moved for maybe five players in the league and Marner is not one of them.


The 28 year old Bryan Rust who never put up 40 points before this season is better offensively than 23 year old Marner who essentially put up b2b 90 point seasons? The Bryan Rust that played on a line with Guentzel and Malkin during his most productive part of the season and thats not stacked enough? Not to mention, Marner is a huge reason why Toronto has one of the most loaded offenses in the league, by setting up the multitude of goal scorers they have (best primary assist player in the NHL).

Marner's overpaid by 4M you say? So Marner is worth under 7M per season? I keep forgetting about all those 90+ point players at the age of 23 making less than $7M on long term deals...

As for Marino, he's a stud no doubt and I'm happy for him. Would say some regression may potentially be in his future but I agree that he'll probably be at least a top 4 guy. Would still say that him and Marner are worth it 1 for 1. Would you trade Marino for Kane? Rantenen? Panarin?

Marner is overly hated on this site cause of his slight overpayment and cause he plays on Toronto. Hes an absolute beast and has trade value equal to a lot of other top players.

Try and be less biased pls
Aug. 4, 2020 at 12:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
Marino is a rookie defenseman that has already proven he can play top-4 minutes and is under team control for >3 more seasons. He's worth a lot more than Marner, who can't even score 30 goals on the NHL's most loaded offense and is overpaid by 4M. He's already more proven than Seth Jones was when he was moved for Johansen. Rust is a point/game winger signed at a reasonable term for another two seasons. He has identical Corsi % and point/60 stats to Marner this season on a worse offense.... I think most GM's would rather have Rust at 3.5M than Marner at 10M, so yes he is at least in the conversation value-wise. Marner's contract alone lowers his value massively whereas Rust's raises his. All of this conversation is worthless as Rust and Marino would get moved for maybe five players in the league and Marner is not one of them.


Bruh...
Aug. 4, 2020 at 12:21 p.m.
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I wouldn't do this deal as a Pens fan, but come on. Rusty is nowhere near Marner, the only thing that's helping his case is he's making 7 mil less than him. Also, to whoever made this team, idk why you have Rust on the 4th line, he'd be much better suited for that 3rd line with Kerfoot and Mikheyev
Aug. 4, 2020 at 2:08 p.m.
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Sharks would take that with ease
Aug. 4, 2020 at 3:08 p.m.
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Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
The 28 year old Bryan Rust who never put up 40 points before this season is better offensively than 23 year old Marner who essentially put up b2b 90 point seasons? The Bryan Rust that played on a line with Guentzel and Malkin during his most productive part of the season and thats not stacked enough? Not to mention, Marner is a huge reason why Toronto has one of the most loaded offenses in the league, by setting up the multitude of goal scorers they have (best primary assist player in the NHL).

Marner's overpaid by 4M you say? So Marner is worth under 7M per season? I keep forgetting about all those 90+ point players at the age of 23 making less than $7M on long term deals...

As for Marino, he's a stud no doubt and I'm happy for him. Would say some regression may potentially be in his future but I agree that he'll probably be at least a top 4 guy. Would still say that him and Marner are worth it 1 for 1. Would you trade Marino for Kane? Rantenen? Panarin?

Marner is overly hated on this site cause of his slight overpayment and cause he plays on Toronto. Hes an absolute beast and has trade value equal to a lot of other top players.

Try and be less biased pls


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Bruh...


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Bruh...


Nowhere did I say Rust was better than Marner, I said they had similar value based off of their contracts. Which I stand by. Value is based off of a lot more than production
 
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