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Mantha for Domi plus more 1 for 1 trades

Created by: Blazingbat11
Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 4, 2020
Published: Aug. 4, 2020
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DET get a #2 C to play behind Larkin. To replace Mantha on the wing, DET sign Dadonov to a long term deal. Habs need goals....Mantha scores goals....they sign him to the same deal they gave Drouin.


Get Price a solid back up. As the play-in round has proven... a rested Price gives you the best Price
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3$925,000
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  1. Mantha, Anthony [RFA Rights]
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  1. Domi, Max [RFA Rights]
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  1. Virtanen, Jake [RFA Rights]
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Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:36 p.m.
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COL declines.
They could easily get a 2nd and 3rd for Zadorov. Lehko alone ain’t enough
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Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:40 p.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
COL declines.
They could easily get a 2nd and 3rd for Zadorov. Lehko alone ain’t enough


lol Lehkonen is easily worth x2 2nds....soooooo yeah. if anything it should be COL adding.
Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:45 p.m.
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lol Lehkonen is easily worth x2 2nds....soooooo yeah. if anything it should be COL adding.


a career high 31 points isnt netting 2X 2nds. I think Lehk + a bit for Zadarov is a fair trade
Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:45 p.m.
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wings pass hard and Vancouver would've passed a few months ago but Virtanen's stock has dropped since the night-club incident so idk
Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:50 p.m.
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Quoting: mhockey91
a career high 31 points isnt netting 2X 2nds. I think Lehk + a bit for Zadarov is a fair trade


If Lehkonen had no defensive game I'd agree with you. but Lehkonen is still the Habs best defensive forward hands down. Someone who can play on your 1st PK unit, never be a nuisance at 5v5 and still net you 30pts a season, is young and cheap is precisely worth x2 2nds.
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Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:53 p.m.
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If Lehkonen had no defensive game I'd agree with you. but Lehkonen is still the Habs best defensive forward hands down. Someone who can play on your 1st PK unit, never be a nuisance at 5v5 and still net you 30pts a season, is young and cheap is precisely worth x2 2nds.


Then what is nichushkin worth? He’s better defensively and pit up the same offense in less games this season

Just curious bc they are the same age, cheaper aav, and he is a better version of what makes lehkonen valuable
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
lol Lehkonen is easily worth x2 2nds....soooooo yeah. if anything it should be COL adding.


You are delusional that Lehko is worth two 2nds. Bottom 6F netting 25-30 points a season. Players of this caliber are dime and dozen. COL doesn’t have room in their bottom 6
Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:55 p.m.
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Quoting: mhockey91
wings pass hard and Vancouver would've passed a few months ago but Virtanen's stock has dropped since the night-club incident so idk


Only reason I see the wings pass on this is because Habs are in the same division. there's concerns both ways on this deal however. Mantha's longevity with his injuries would be something the Habs would hesitate with.
Aug. 4, 2020 at 11:57 p.m.
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If Lehkonen had no defensive game I'd agree with you. but Lehkonen is still the Habs best defensive forward hands down. Someone who can play on your 1st PK unit, never be a nuisance at 5v5 and still net you 30pts a season, is young and cheap is precisely worth x2 2nds.


“Still net you 30pts” Lehko has reached the 30 pt mark once in 4 seasons. Far from a consistent 30pt player
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Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:07 a.m.
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Then what is nichushkin worth? He’s better defensively and pit up the same offense in less games this season

Just curious bc they are the same age, cheaper aav, and he is a better version of what makes lehkonen valuable


I haven't followed his game , so he's a bit of an unknown to me. Just looking at it though, bet you that Nichuskin's next contract will be right along what Lehkonen is currently making. From the look of things, Nischuskin just had his breakout year, Lehkonen has been doing this consistently for the past 3 seasons... but yeah wouldn't surprise me one bit that he'd be valued at x2 2nds if someone tried to acquire him.

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You are delusional that Lehko is worth two 2nds. Bottom 6F netting 25-30 points a season. Players of this caliber are dime and dozen. COL doesn’t have room in their bottom 6


I don't find what's so hard to believe that defensive forwards can actually hold decent value. They aren't that common if they can put up 30pts, because the second they start pumping close to 40pts, everyone starts considering top 6 and they make a lot more than $2.4mil.... Sure there are a dime a dozen defensive forwards that put up zero pts, those are 4th liners.
Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:08 a.m.
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“Still net you 30pts” Lehko has reached the 30 pt mark once in 4 seasons. Far from a consistent 30pt player


pro rated and career average is 30pts
Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:34 a.m.
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Wings don't touch this, and unless Montreal is willing to overpay in futures Mantha isn't getting moved
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Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:45 a.m.
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I haven't followed his game , so he's a bit of an unknown to me. Just looking at it though, bet you that Nichuskin's next contract will be right along what Lehkonen is currently making. From the look of things, Nischuskin just had his breakout year, Lehkonen has been doing this consistently for the past 3 seasons... but yeah wouldn't surprise me one bit that he'd be valued at x2 2nds if someone tried to acquire him.



I don't find what's so hard to believe that defensive forwards can actually hold decent value. They aren't that common if they can put up 30pts, because the second they start pumping close to 40pts, everyone starts considering top 6 and they make a lot more than $2.4mil.... Sure there are a dime a dozen defensive forwards that put up zero pts, those are 4th liners.


Not really, outside of 1 season, he has been close to or over 30 points while being considered a top flight defensive forward.

He’s as consistent in the benchmark as Lehkonen.
Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:57 a.m.
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Wings don't touch this, and unless Montreal is willing to overpay in futures Mantha isn't getting moved


For sure it wouldn't surprise at all that Yzerman has zero interest in moving Mantha. but here me out on this:

Domi and Mantha are the same age
Both are going in to arbitration eligible restricted free agency
Both their career averages are identical at 54pts per 82 games
Domi is coming off a 72pts season last year. Mantha, pro rated, would've had a 72 pts season this year.
Domi's added value of being a center is canceled out with Mantha's added value of being a goal scorer.
Both fill a need for either team (DET need a #2C, MTL need goal scorers)

Again, Yzerman probably has no interest in moving Mantha, but value and fit is very close if you ask me.
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I haven't followed his game , so he's a bit of an unknown to me. Just looking at it though, bet you that Nichuskin's next contract will be right along what Lehkonen is currently making. From the look of things, Nischuskin just had his breakout year, Lehkonen has been doing this consistently for the past 3 seasons... but yeah wouldn't surprise me one bit that he'd be valued at x2 2nds if someone tried to acquire him.



I don't find what's so hard to believe that defensive forwards can actually hold decent value. They aren't that common if they can put up 30pts, because the second they start pumping close to 40pts, everyone starts considering top 6 and they make a lot more than $2.4mil.... Sure there are a dime a dozen defensive forwards that put up zero pts, those are 4th liners.


Yet 22 year jost who has been in the mid 20s in points and is solid defensively gets mocked at by people here at the thought of a 2nd and 3rd for him

If the youth and still potential of jost who is a Centre as well to some isn’t worth those picks, I think you can see why saying why Lehkonen worth 2 2nds would garner that reaction
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Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:17 a.m.
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Not really, outside of 1 season, he has been close to or over 30 points while being considered a top flight defensive forward.

He’s as consistent in the benchmark as Lehkonen.


Fair enough, so establishing that both are comparable players, do you think they aren't worth x2 2nds?
Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:32 a.m.
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Yet 22 year jost who has been in the mid 20s in points and is solid defensively gets mocked at by people here at the thought of a 2nd and 3rd for him

If the youth and still potential of jost who is a Centre as well to some isn’t worth those picks, I think you can see why saying why Lehkonen worth 2 2nds would garner that reaction


Without having looked into it, not meeting expectations knocks people down a few pegs in value for whatever reasons. Guy could be a solid #3C, but if he was expected to be better than that, his value takes a hit regardless.

Lars Eller was in the same boat for years in MTL. and 100% people on Cap friendly would of bashed the guy for being worthless and not worth more than a 3rd and blah blah blah. but wouldn't you know Eller still garnered x2 2nds when he was traded, and ironically the vast majority voted on here that MTL won that trade...
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
For sure it wouldn't surprise at all that Yzerman has zero interest in moving Mantha. but here me out on this:

Domi and Mantha are the same age
Both are going in to arbitration eligible restricted free agency
Both their career averages are identical at 54pts per 82 games
Domi is coming off a 72pts season last year. Mantha, pro rated, would've had a 72 pts season this year.
Domi's added value of being a center is canceled out with Mantha's added value of being a goal scorer.
Both fill a need for either team (DET need a #2C, MTL need goal scorers)

Again, Yzerman probably has no interest in moving Mantha, but value and fit is very close if you ask me.


Yes they have comparable numbers, but can someone proposing this Mantha Domi deal give me reasons why Wings make this deal?

I beleive Mantha due to injuries has never reached his full potential, whereas I think Domi has or is close to his ceiling.
Aug. 5, 2020 at 8:21 a.m.
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Wings decline soon as they hear the name domi solo..no chance
Aug. 5, 2020 at 8:33 a.m.
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
pro rated and career average is 30pts


(16-17) 28 pts
(17-18) 21 pts
(18-19) 31 pts
(19-20) 27 pts

27 pts average. Again, 1 of 4 seasons broke 30 pts doesnt equate to a consistent 30pts player
Aug. 5, 2020 at 10:17 a.m.
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laugh laugh Detroit easily declines, Domi doesn't get you Mantha 1 for 1 and Mantha easily gets either 5 x 6.5 or 5 x 7.5 he wont sign that cheaply in high taxed Montreal.
Aug. 5, 2020 at 2:10 p.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
(16-17) 28 pts
(17-18) 21 pts
(18-19) 31 pts
(19-20) 27 pts

27 pts average. Again, 1 of 4 seasons broke 30 pts doesnt equate to a consistent 30pts player


I guess pro rated is a concept your unfamiliar with huh?
Aug. 5, 2020 at 2:16 p.m.
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I guess pro rated is a concept your unfamiliar with huh?


Poehling scored 3 goals in one NHL game in 2018-2019.
Did you pro rate it to a 246 goal season?

Pro rated points figures doesnt mean anything.
Lehko couldve played those additional 12 games this season and scored 0 points, or got injured.
Aug. 5, 2020 at 2:41 p.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
Poehling scored 3 goals in one NHL game in 2018-2019.
Did you pro rate it to a 246 goal season?

Pro rated points figures doesnt mean anything.
Lehko couldve played those additional 12 games this season and scored 0 points, or got injured.


Landeskog must really be declining having only been able to put 44pts this past season.....see? Context matters.

Anyways I’m done discussing this, you’re just trolling at this point
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Landeskog must really be declining having only been able to put 44pts this past season.....see? Context matters.

Anyways I’m done discussing this, you’re just trolling at this point


LMAO you must be trolling to pick Landeskog as a comparison.

Lehko played 70 of possible 82 games
Landeskog played 54 of a possible 82 games

Now whos point total would more closely resemble one of a full season?
 
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