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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 5, 2020
Published: Aug. 5, 2020
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I wanna know actual thoughts, I think something like this is possible but not likely. The team looks good up front still and way way way better on the backend
Free Agent Signings
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2$1,500,000
3$2,000,000
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1$700,000
1$3,500,000
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PIT
  1. Nylander, William
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Either team can add to balance but these are the two main pieces
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  2. Liljegren, Timothy
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Picks to balance
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2020
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2021
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23$81,500,000$79,278,056$0$850,000$2,221,944
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RD
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LD/RD
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RD
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RD
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:48 a.m.
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marino is going no where sir
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Unless the pick is a 1st the Ducks aren’t doing that. And they don’t need AJ even if Rakell goes

Though I get in this case it’s for cap purposes
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Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:51 a.m.
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marino is going no where sir


Even in a 1 for 1 for Nylander? Pitts top 6 would be insane and while Marino projects to be the more valuable player, Willy is definitely the better player today. If Pitt was trying to stack their roster as much as they could before Sid and Malkin are gone/declining Id agree
Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:52 a.m.
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Quoting: Salzy
Unless the pick is a 1st the Ducks aren’t doing that. And they don’t need AJ even if Rakell goes

Though I get in this case it’s for cap purposes


More just to give them an option to fill Rakells spot on forward and to match swapping cap hits. You really think Rakell is worth Johnsson, Lily and a 1st? Seems a bit much imo
Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:52 a.m.
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Even in a 1 for 1 for Nylander? Pitts top 6 would be insane and while Marino projects to be the more valuable player, Willy is definitely the better player today. If Pitt was trying to stack their roster as much as they could before Sid and Malkin are gone/declining Id agree


no money for nylander where as a top 4 young cost controlled RD is more valuable to them atm and would be more valuable to anyone. RHD > Wingers
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Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:54 a.m.
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no money for nylander where as a top 4 young cost controlled RD is more valuable to them atm and would be more valuable to anyone. RHD > Wingers


Im just thinking itd be hard for Jimmy Rutherford to look at a potential top 6 of this and pass up on it:

Guentz-Sid-Nylander
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And all he has to do is give up an asset that he didn't even think he had a year ago
Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:54 a.m.
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Im just thinking itd be hard for Jimmy Rutherford to look at a potential top 6 of this and pass up on it:

Guentz-Sid-Nylander
Zucker-Malkin-Rust

And all he has to do is give up an asset that he didn't even think he had a year ago


that asset is one of the most important ones on the penguins did you not see how bad they were after he got hurt?
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Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:55 a.m.
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More just to give them an option to fill Rakells spot on forward and to match swapping cap hits. You really think Rakell is worth Johnsson, Lily and a 1st? Seems a bit much imo


Worth Lily and a 1st, with AJ it is a bit much but the Ducks don’t need him with Heinen, Milano, Jones, Comtois on the left with out Rakell.

I don’t think the Leafs should trade lily though
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Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:57 a.m.
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Quoting: Salzy
Unless the pick is a 1st the Ducks aren’t doing that. And they don’t need AJ even if Rakell goes

Though I get in this case it’s for cap purposes


This is exactly why I rarely do leafs agm’s anymore.

This place has become twitter. Nylander is a no brainer.

The ducks trade you need to look deeper. Rackell has 2 years left they get a replacement player with more term and liljegren who has up to 10 years of control. A rebuilding team thinks about that offer.

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marino is going no where sir
Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:01 a.m.
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Worth Lily and a 1st, with AJ it is a bit much but the Ducks don’t need him with Heinen, Milano, Jones, Comtois on the left with out Rakell.

I don’t think the Leafs should trade lily though


If they don’t need mango then they don’t need rackell....who has been playing left wing.

As I said before they get a replacement with more term and up to 10 years of term with Lilly and a minimum of 6... in a position of need. Why Toronto would ever think to subtract from that position is beyond me. I would rather keep mango and Lilly.
Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:01 a.m.
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This is exactly why I rarely do leafs agm’s anymore.

This place has become twitter. Nylander is a no brainer.

The ducks trade you need to look deeper. Rackell has 2 years left they get a replacement player with more term and liljegren who has up to 10 years of control. A rebuilding team thinks about that offer.


They don’t need the replacement player and a B prospect doesn’t move the needle nearly enough.

Look at Zucker, Hayes, Pageau, JT Miller, Coleman, Goodrow

Rakell is 100% worth at least Lily and a 1st

The Leafs shouldn’t do that though but the Ducks shouldn’t take less because of that
Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:02 a.m.
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Quoting: Salzy
Worth Lily and a 1st, with AJ it is a bit much but the Ducks don’t need him with Heinen, Milano, Jones, Comtois on the left with out Rakell.

I don’t think the Leafs should trade lily though


I agree that the Leafs shouldn't trade him, but in this scenario its basically a swap of Lily and Willy for Rakell and Marino. They get a more talented young defenseman whos already playing in the NHL so they can afford to move Tim Lil
Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:02 a.m.
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They don’t need the replacement player and a B prospect doesn’t move the needle nearly enough.

Look at Zucker, Hayes, Pageau, JT Miller, Coleman, Goodrow

Rakell is 100% worth at least Lily and a 1st


Liljegren definitely isn't a B prospect
Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:03 a.m.
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Liljegren definitely isn't a B prospect


He isn’t an A prospect
Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:04 a.m.
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He isn’t an A prospect


30 points in 40 AHL games as a 20 year old dman isnt worth an A anymore?
Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:07 a.m.
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I think both pens and leafs pass on that trade. Marino kinda came out of nowhere and leafs wouldn’t gamble a promising youth like nylander for a huge X factor like Marino.

In the pens situation, we really value the extra year of ELC in Marino, and we have absolutely 0 young RHD to replace Letang. I think pens take the gamble on Marino that he’ll one day be Letang’s replacement.

The value is certainly interesting but both teams probably pass. I like the creativity though
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Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:10 a.m.
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30 points in 40 AHL games as a 20 year old dman isnt worth an A anymore?


Is he without a doubt a top pair guy in your eyes? That’s how I judge an A prospect. If he is to you then I guess he would be an A. To me he seems like a 2nd pairing guy
Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:10 a.m.
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30 points in 40 AHL games as a 20 year old dman isnt worth an A anymore?


Is points all you look at?
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Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:14 a.m.
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If they don’t need mango then they don’t need rackell....who has been playing left wing.

As I said before they get a replacement with more term and up to 10 years of term with Lilly and a minimum of 6... in a position of need. Why Toronto would ever think to subtract from that position is beyond me. I would rather keep mango and Lilly.


They have a surplus of LW. They have 6 NHL caliber LWs

As I’ve said multiple times TOR shouldn’t make that trade though. TOR and ANA are not good trade partners
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Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:19 a.m.
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Is points all you look at?


Hes great defensively, plays all roles (pk/pp) and is on the ice in crucial moments. Hes gonna be a great player with a top 4 floor
Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:20 a.m.
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Is he without a doubt a top pair guy in your eyes? That’s how I judge an A prospect. If he is to you then I guess he would be an A. To me he seems like a 2nd pairing guy


So theres no A defense prospects according to that. Stupid to tier players of all different levels into like 3 letter grades. Cant think of a single current defense prospect that would be without a doubt first pairing
Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:34 a.m.
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They have a surplus of LW. They have 6 NHL caliber LWs

As I’ve said multiple times TOR shouldn’t make that trade though. TOR and ANA are not good trade partners


They have tons of wingers and no rhd for the future. So a 1 for 1 swap On wingers with an rhd puts them in a better spot. I don’t see Johnsson as a necessary piece in the trade.

Unless you plan on building around Rackell it seems worth consideration. I don’t see how it helps the leafs when they have marner Kapanen and Hyman and an entire stable of young LHW.

Personally I would much rather have Dermott nylander and Lilly over Marino and Rackell.

Giving up two D for one and then downgrading nylander doesn’t seem like very wise asset management.
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Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:39 a.m.
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More just to give them an option to fill Rakells spot on forward and to match swapping cap hits. You really think Rakell is worth Johnsson, Lily and a 1st? Seems a bit much imo


No, we think that Rakell = Liljegren and the first. Leave Johnsson out of this.
Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:53 a.m.
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we might consider this if Schultz was still a productive player for us. If we trade Marino, then there's a giant gaping hole at 2RD
Aug. 5, 2020 at 2:16 a.m.
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They have tons of wingers and no rhd for the future. So a 1 for 1 swap On wingers with an rhd puts them in a better spot. I don’t see Johnsson as a necessary piece in the trade.

Unless you plan on building around Rackell it seems worth consideration. I don’t see how it helps the leafs when they have marner Kapanen and Hyman and an entire stable of young LHW.

Personally I would much rather have Dermott nylander and Lilly over Marino and Rackell.

Giving up two D for one and then downgrading nylander doesn’t seem like very wise asset management.


Never moved Dermott tho, moved Lily and Nylander for Marino and Rakell essentially
 
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