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Initial Creation Date: Aug. 5, 2020
Published: Aug. 5, 2020
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just to be clear, THESE ARE NOT MY TRADE PROPOSlmfao. i don’t want to lose the small amount of credibility that i have on this site.

https://theathletic.com/1971807/2020/08/04/what-might-the-return-be-in-a-hypothetical-trade-for-jack-eichel/?source=user_shared_article
Trades
1.
BUF
    Nikolaj Ehlers
    Josh Morrissey
    2020 1st Round Pick
    WPG
      Jack Eichel
      2.
      BUF
        Auston Matthews
        Zach Hyman
        Martin Marincin
        2020 3rd Round Pick
        TOR
          Jack Eichel
          Rasmus Ristolainen
          Marcus Johansson
          Kyle Okposo
          3.
          BUF
            Vladimir Tarasenko
            Justin Faulk
            Robert Thomas
            2020 1st Round Pick
            STL
              Jack Eichel
              Colin Miller
              Dylan Cozens
              2020 1st Round Pick
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              Aug. 5, 2020 at 11:12 a.m.
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              His values on these trades are all over the place.
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 11:15 a.m.
              #2
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              Even the homer in me knows the Blues would have to take that.
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 11:18 a.m.
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              Jets say no
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 11:29 a.m.
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              tears of joy Imagine the Leafs taking on an additional $14ish mil in cap tears of joy
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 11:31 a.m.
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              This guy's gone crazy
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              Aug. 5, 2020 at 11:33 a.m.
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              I dont see the Jets doing that because Morrissey is too valuable to them
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 11:37 a.m.
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              Did read this correctly... BUff would trade Eichel and their 8OA pick for Tarasenko & 30OA pick... WOW!!!
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 11:38 a.m.
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              Yeah I mean that’s definitely a win for the Blues.
              Eichel > Tarasenko
              Cozens=Thomas
              Miller > Faulk
              Buff pick >>> Blues pick

              Realistically, you’d drop your first and we’d add another high pick at least.
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              Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:12 p.m.
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              These trades are so horrible. What writer gets paid to produce this junk?? The STL trade is an insult to everything good in the world
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              Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:19 p.m.
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              Quoting: A_K
              Even the homer in me knows the Blues would have to take that.


              Quite debatable. We're not trading RobTom and we have no need to make drastic changes.
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:20 p.m.
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              Quoting: BluesBandit
              Yeah I mean that’s definitely a win for the Blues.
              Eichel > Tarasenko
              Cozens=Thomas
              Miller > Faulk
              Buff pick >>> Blues pick

              Realistically, you’d drop your first and we’d add another high pick at least.



              Uhh... what now?
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:43 p.m.
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              Quoting: A_K
              Even the homer in me knows the Blues would have to take that.


              Yeah I guess so... look at the value difference between the blue and leafs.

              Give up matthews Hyman and a 3rd get Eichel and 3 cap dumps... leafs at pretty much double the cap.

              To the OP, I realize that’s aren’t your trades but leafs not only want to pass but they have to.
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 12:49 p.m.
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              So the leafs give up the first and third best players in the trade and have to take on way more money for mediocre players, AND a cap dump? No way
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:05 p.m.
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              The Athletic author is goofy or maybe he hates Buffalo
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              Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:19 p.m.
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              Quoting: mokumboi
              Quite debatable. We're not trading RobTom and we have no need to make drastic changes.


              1. We'd get the best player at the best position in the deal, possibly the best two when you look at the upside of Cozens.
              2. We'd save cap, long- and short-term
              3. We'd be more competitive long- and short-term
              4. We'd pick in the top-10 for the first time since we landed Pietrangelo
              5. Even if Thomas ends up better than Cozens we still win this by a mile

              I get the concern about making changes to a winning team, but come on, these are clear improvements - how often can you grab a top 10 NHL center, age 23, with 6 years on his deal, in a trade? And Cozens is easily a top-5 prospect outside the NHL, with all of the tools to translate to a top six center while he's still on his ELC.
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              Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:29 p.m.
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              Quoting: mokumboi
              Quite debatable. We're not trading RobTom and we have no need to make drastic changes.


              You're a moron if you wouldn't take this lmao. Jesus
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 1:41 p.m.
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              Quoting: RoyalBlueSabres
              You're a moron if you wouldn't take this lmao. Jesus



              No, I'd be a moron for making massive changes to a championship team for the sake of making changes.
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 2:03 p.m.
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              Quoting: A_K
              1. We'd get the best player at the best position in the deal, possibly the best two when you look at the upside of Cozens... And Cozens is easily a top-5 prospect outside the NHL...

              2. We'd save cap, long- and short-term

              3. We'd be more competitive long- and short-term

              4. We'd pick in the top-10 for the first time since we landed Pietrangelo

              5. Even if Thomas ends up better than Cozens we still win this by a mile

              how often can you grab a top 10 NHL center, age 23, with 6 years on his deal, in a trade?



              1- That's great, but we're not a team trying to build around one main superstar. We try to have quality up and down the lines, and that's how I prefer it. As for Cozens, dude, you're overselling him. He's a great prospect, but nobody has him rated top 5 outside the NHL right now. Top 10 maybe. And his upside is no greater than that of Thomas, who has already left "prospect" behind to be a bona fide Stanley Cup contributor.

              2- Short term, this deal saves us all of $125K. So not even worth mentioning. Long term is a bit nebulous, as some of those players will re-sign at higher numbers and so on, but we'd be sending $62,5M of commitment and taking back about $68.5M. So I'm not sure how you figured it saved us long term money.

              3- Short term is very debatable, as we'd give two prime regulars for one. Long term is, again, hard to pinpoint either way one sees it. It's certainly no slam dunk that the trade improves our longer Cup outlook.

              4- Sure, yeah. Cool. And a good year to do it, no doubt. But I'm not taking away from a current Cup window to get it. Maybe that's just me. Current Cup window comes before all.

              And yeah, I'd love to have Eichel. And I haven't actually said I would reject this. Just that it's quite debatable. And that I'd certainly be more interested if Thomas wasn't involved.
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 2:17 p.m.
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              Quoting: mokumboi
              No, I'd be a moron for making massive changes to a championship team for the sake of making changes.


              Lmao whatever bro. That trade is an absolute gift.
              Just out of curiosity who are you losing that is a core player?
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 2:30 p.m.
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              Quoting: mokumboi
              1- That's great, but we're not a team trying to build around one main superstar. We try to have quality up and down the lines, and that's how I prefer it. As for Cozens, dude, you're overselling him. He's a great prospect, but nobody has him rated top 5 outside the NHL right now. Top 10 maybe. And his upside is no greater than that of Thomas, who has already left "prospect" behind to be a bona fide Stanley Cup contributor.

              2- Short term, this deal saves us all of $125K. So not even worth mentioning. Long term is a bit nebulous, as some of those players will re-sign at higher numbers and so on, but we'd be sending $62,5M of commitment and taking back about $68.5M. So I'm not sure how you figured it saved us long term money.

              3- Short term is very debatable, as we'd give two prime regulars for one. Long term is, again, hard to pinpoint either way one sees it. It's certainly no slam dunk that the trade improves our longer Cup outlook.

              4- Sure, yeah. Cool. And a good year to do it, no doubt. But I'm not taking away from a current Cup window to get it. Maybe that's just me. Current Cup window comes before all.

              And yeah, I'd love to have Eichel. And I haven't actually said I would reject this. Just that it's quite debatable. And that I'd certainly be more interested if Thomas wasn't involved.


              Cozens will be an NHLer next year - nothing left for him in the WHL. You can check my track record - I'm convinced that Thomas is going to be a bona fide star center - I think he's already our 2nd or 3rd best forward at age 21. But if you think that Tarasenko and Thomas is better quality than Eichel and Cozens - now and for the next 6 years - then I don't know what to tell you other than you're supremely underrating Eichel and Cozens. And even if that's your take, swapping a late 1st for 8th overall, and bailing us out of the Faulk albatross are just way too good to pass up. I wouldn't debate it in the slightest, but you do you.

              Scott Wheeler has Cozens rated #1 fwiw.
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              Aug. 5, 2020 at 3:19 p.m.
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              Quoting: mokumboi
              1- That's great, but we're not a team trying to build around one main superstar. We try to have quality up and down the lines, and that's how I prefer it. As for Cozens, dude, you're overselling him. He's a great prospect, but nobody has him rated top 5 outside the NHL right now. Top 10 maybe. And his upside is no greater than that of Thomas, who has already left "prospect" behind to be a bona fide Stanley Cup contributor.

              2- Short term, this deal saves us all of $125K. So not even worth mentioning. Long term is a bit nebulous, as some of those players will re-sign at higher numbers and so on, but we'd be sending $62,5M of commitment and taking back about $68.5M. So I'm not sure how you figured it saved us long term money.

              3- Short term is very debatable, as we'd give two prime regulars for one. Long term is, again, hard to pinpoint either way one sees it. It's certainly no slam dunk that the trade improves our longer Cup outlook.

              4- Sure, yeah. Cool. And a good year to do it, no doubt. But I'm not taking away from a current Cup window to get it. Maybe that's just me. Current Cup window comes before all.

              And yeah, I'd love to have Eichel. And I haven't actually said I would reject this. Just that it's quite debatable. And that I'd certainly be more interested if Thomas wasn't involved.

              Yes, this trade will never happen, but another perk would be that Cozens is exempt from the Expansion Draft and RobTom is not. Cozens and Thomas are about equal value right now, but that reason would probably make Cozens slightly more valuable.
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              Aug. 5, 2020 at 4:03 p.m.
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              Quoting: BluesBandit
              Yes, this trade will never happen, but another perk would be that Cozens is exempt from the Expansion Draft and RobTom is not. Cozens and Thomas are about equal value right now, but that reason would probably make Cozens slightly more valuable.



              Again, I think you're overstating Cozens' value at the moment. In fact, there might be five better prospects going in the draft this year alone. The expansion exemption is sweet, of course, but Thomas has more value right now and just as high a ceiling.
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 4:04 p.m.
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              Quoting: A_K


              Scott Wheeler has Cozens rated #1 fwiw.



              #1 what? Got a link?
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 4:05 p.m.
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              Quoting: RoyalBlueSabres

              Just out of curiosity who are you losing that is a core player?



              Dude... c'mon now.
              Aug. 5, 2020 at 4:10 p.m.
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              Quoting: mokumboi
              Dude... c'mon now.


              Taresanko? Who didn't play at all
              Faulk? Who struggled
              Thomas?

              You are getting an upgrade at every position including a pick lol

              I'm just in awe that anyone would be against this.

              Likebinwouldnt even take this trade if cozens and our first were removed
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