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Its not too complicated part 1

Created by: joshelkin
Team: 2020-21 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 6, 2020
Published: Aug. 6, 2020
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Biggest IF is Ladd hitting LTIR, but I really don't see it not happening. He's done at the NHL level. No need to ride the bus to collect your paycheck. Ride off into the sunset.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$6,750,000
6$6,000,000
5$4,000,000
3$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,000,000
6$6,000,000
Trades
1.
NYI
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (NYI)
2.
NYI
  1. 2021 7th round pick (DET)
DET
  1. Bellows, Kieffer
  2. Boychuk, Johnny
  3. 2021 1st round pick (NYI)
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Pick is top-10 protected

Red Wings buyout Boychuk
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2020
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2022
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23$81,500,000$80,238,334$0$1,075,000$1,261,666
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW
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C, RW
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LW
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 4
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
C
NTC
UFA - 6
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$3,350,000$3,350,000
C
UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
RW
RFA - 3
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RW
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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RD
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G
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RD
UFA - 3
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,600,000$1,600,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
RD
RFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 4
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW, LW, C
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UFA - 2
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LW
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LD
UFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
LW
UFA - 1

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Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:04 p.m.
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Leddy is a clear cap dump at this point 4 straight years of declining numbers, he's also going to cost you to move him.
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Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:06 p.m.
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I've said it before, but Hoffman at 6x6 makes me really, really nervous, especially given the cap issues we already have. Give Wahlstrom a couple years and let him develop into that 1RW for Barzy role. Eberle is more than capable of holding the fort until then. If Ladd is on LTIR, I'd consider uding that cap space to bring back Martin for another year or trade for a guy like Jost or Virtanen
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Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:07 p.m.
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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
I've said it before, but Hoffman at 6x6 makes me really, really nervous, especially given the cap issues we already have. Give Wahlstrom a couple years and let him develop into that 1RW for Barzy role. Eberle is more than capable of holding the fort until then. If Ladd is on LTIR, I'd consider uding that cap space to bring back Martin for another year or trade for a guy like Jost or Virtanen


I agree. I want nothing to do with Hoffman
Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:09 p.m.
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Leddy is a clear cap dump at this point 4 straight years of declining numbers, he's also going to cost you to move him.


No he won't, I will bet anything on that. Whether or not Leddy brings back a 2+ is another story. But it shouldn't cost a dime to move
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Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:18 p.m.
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Man, isnt Bellows a really expensive piece to get rid of Boychuk?
Couldnt you just give DET a 1st to retain 50% of his contract for the next 2 seasons?
Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:18 p.m.
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I wonder if boychuk ends up on LTIR. No update on him since he left during game 1
Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:26 p.m.
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Man, isnt Bellows a really expensive piece to get rid of Boychuk?
Couldnt you just give DET a 1st to retain 50% of his contract for the next 2 seasons?


I wouldn't think it would cost that much tbh. They wouldn't even be paying him a ton of actually money. I've suggested Bellows and a 3rd to do just that before, only to Dallas, a team I think JB would actually waive his M-NTC for.

As for Bellows, I see him as a potential fringe 2nd liner, probably a 3rd liner on a good team. Good energy, lots of goal scoring potential, but I'm not sure if he he's ever going to be lock for the top-6. Then again, I'm not a scout lol. Only seen him play like 6 games in the NHL too. It's a crying shame they didn't even take into the bubble, let alone have him in the lineup. I'd rather see him than Kuhnhackl....

Went on a tangent there lol, but I'm sure you get the picture
Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:30 p.m.
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Islanders will forever sit in Mediocre-ville until those hilarious contracts for Lee, Nelson and Bailey are moved or expired. Three absurd overpayments to 3 very average players. The Lee deal is the most ridiculous.

Having said that, Leddy is still a very good Dman, imo, and Detroit prob takes this deal if its a 2020 first.
Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:31 p.m.
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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
I wouldn't think it would cost that much tbh. They wouldn't even be paying him a ton of actually money. I've suggested Bellows and a 3rd to do just that before, only to Dallas, a team I think JB would actually waive his M-NTC for.

As for Bellows, I see him as a potential fringe 2nd liner, probably a 3rd liner on a good team. Good energy, lots of goal scoring potential, but I'm not sure if he he's ever going to be lock for the top-6. Then again, I'm not a scout lol. Only seen him play like 6 games in the NHL too. It's a crying shame they didn't even take into the bubble, let alone have him in the lineup. I'd rather see him than Kuhnhackl....

Went on a tangent there lol, but I'm sure you get the picture


The comparable would be TOR giving CAR a 1st to eat Marleaus 6mil x 1 yr.
Boychuk has 6mil x 2yr = 2 late 1sts using the TOR valuation above
Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:32 p.m.
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Islanders will forever sit in Mediocre-ville until those hilarious contracts for Lee, Nelson and Bailey are moved or expired. Three absurd overpayments to 3 very average players. The Lee deal is the most ridiculous.

Having said that, Leddy is still a very good Dman, imo, and Detroit prob takes this deal if its a 2020 first.


Lee and bailey I agree with, but Nelson?? How is a 30 G 65 pt pace for a 2C in a defensive minded system mediocre?
Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:32 p.m.
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No he won't, I will bet anything on that. Whether or not Leddy brings back a 2+ is another story. But it shouldn't cost a dime to move


Why? Because he was good 4 years ago? No chance, maybe someone takes him for a obscure prospect or a 7th rounder but how many teams will have the space to spend 4 million on a guy who by all accounts is quickly on his way out of the league?
Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:33 p.m.
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Islanders will forever sit in Mediocre-ville until those hilarious contracts for Lee, Nelson and Bailey are moved or expired. Three absurd overpayments to 3 very average players. The Lee deal is the most ridiculous.

Having said that, Leddy is still a very good Dman, imo, and Detroit prob takes this deal if its a 2020 first.


Except Leddy isn't good and hasn't been for 4 seasons.
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Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:40 p.m.
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Det accepts and JB prob plays next season for them. I’m he could be a good 3rd pairing veteran to help Cholo tradition to full time NHL work
Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:40 p.m.
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Quoting: redw1n9s
Islanders will forever sit in Mediocre-ville until those hilarious contracts for Lee, Nelson and Bailey are moved or expired. Three absurd overpayments to 3 very average players. The Lee deal is the most ridiculous.

Having said that, Leddy is still a very good Dman, imo, and Detroit prob takes this deal if its a 2020 first.


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Lee and bailey I agree with, but Nelson?? How is a 30 G 65 pt pace for a 2C in a defensive minded system mediocre?


Hmm interesting takes on the Bailey, Nelson and Lee deals.
I think Bailey -500k/year, Nelson -750k/year and Lee -1.25mil/year are there values (vs their current deals). But two things worked against NYI. One being the fact they let them go to UFA, increasing their price. Second being that it doesnt seem they got any discounts considering their ages and length of contract terms
Aug. 6, 2020 at 12:42 p.m.
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Hmm interesting takes on the Bailey, Nelson and Lee deals.
I think Bailey -500k/year, Nelson -750k/year and Lee -1.25mil/year are there values (vs their current deals). But two things worked against NYI. One being the fact they let them go to UFA, increasing their price. Second being that it doesnt seem they got any discounts considering their ages and length of contract terms


Again I agree on lee and bailey, what about Nelson makes him not a 2C worth 6 mill?
Aug. 6, 2020 at 1:00 p.m.
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Lee and bailey I agree with, but Nelson?? How is a 30 G 65 pt pace for a 2C in a defensive minded system mediocre?


The $6M price tag is absurd based on the player that he is. He's really more of a 3C on a true contender and is nowhere near worth $6M a year. The contract structure of this entire team is backwards.
Aug. 6, 2020 at 1:02 p.m.
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Hmm interesting takes on the Bailey, Nelson and Lee deals.
I think Bailey -500k/year, Nelson -750k/year and Lee -1.25mil/year are there values (vs their current deals). But two things worked against NYI. One being the fact they let them go to UFA, increasing their price. Second being that it doesnt seem they got any discounts considering their ages and length of contract terms


I'd take $2M off all of their contracts, at least. When I look at ANDERS LEE and then the $7M next to his name I am in utter disbelief.
Aug. 6, 2020 at 1:04 p.m.
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Except Leddy isn't good and hasn't been for 4 seasons.


Leddy is still one of the best skating Dmen in the league and his game is there. Might need a change of scenery but he is nowhere near a cap dump guy
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Aug. 6, 2020 at 1:05 p.m.
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The $6M price tag is absurd based on the player that he is. He's really more of a 3C on a true contender and is nowhere near worth $6M a year. The contract structure of this entire team is backwards.


How is a 30 G 65 pt pace in a defensive minded system not worthy of 6 mill? Is 65 pt pace not good for a 2C? I agreed with you on lee and bailey, for me to actually take you seriously you should back up your statement with facts.
Aug. 6, 2020 at 1:08 p.m.
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How is a 30 G 65 pt pace in a defensive minded system not worthy of 6 mill? Is 65 pt pace not good for a 2C? I agreed with you on lee and bailey, for me to actually take you seriously you should back up your statement with facts.


You don't have to take me seriously...I am okay with that.
Aug. 6, 2020 at 1:09 p.m.
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You don't have to take me seriously...I am okay with that.


Tyler bertuzzi isn’t a top 6 winger. Prove me wrong.
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Aug. 6, 2020 at 1:11 p.m.
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Tyler bertuzzi isn’t a top 6 winger. Prove me wrong.


You'd be mostly correct, but he has time to prove you wrong...

I don't get it, is that your counter?
Aug. 6, 2020 at 1:13 p.m.
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You'd be mostly correct, but he has time to prove you wrong...

I don't get it, is that your counter?



Well you implied Nelson is not a 2C, can you back that up ?
Aug. 6, 2020 at 1:23 p.m.
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Islanders will have to retain on Leddy if they want a decent asset back for Leddy.

I bet Kings would take Leddy for a 5th rounder straight up, and that is probably pretty close to his value.

He has had declining numbers for years.
Aug. 6, 2020 at 1:24 p.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
The comparable would be TOR giving CAR a 1st to eat Marleaus 6mil x 1 yr.
Boychuk has 6mil x 2yr = 2 late 1sts using the TOR valuation above


Hmmm to swallow the whole thing yes. I would hope the Islanders retain about half, that should keep us under the cap for the next two seasons. Another option is something like the Kase trade from earlier this year, where the Isles retain ~$2 million, send a first and a B prospect (Aho, Bellows, etc.) and get back an actually middle 6 forward. Been trying to put something like that together on here but it's been tough so far
 
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