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Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 7, 2020
Published: Aug. 7, 2020
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COL best chances of winning a cup are in the next two years:
1) before Makar, Landeskog and Grubauer get paid
2) before MacKinnon/Francouz get paid and Kadri leaves

With that being said, I understand we are all big on Byram and his potential -BUT- seeing as COL best chance to win a cup is in the next two years, the impact Connor provides now, is more valuable to a cup run (in these two years) than having Byram will be.

Byram year 1 will maybe play third pair minutes. Year 2 he will (at best) be playing second pair minutes. Connor on the other hand fills out the top 6F, is an elite goal scorer and provides a MAJOR impact in the next two critical cup contending years.

I get that some COL fans will say "Byram will be a future elite top pairing D man", but he wont be "elite" status for maybe 4 years, well past this optimal cup window in the next two years (while Makar and MacKinnon are still cheap).

Core 4 on D moving forward become Makar/Girard/Graves/Timmins

**moving Compher is to save cap space (hence keeping Jost instead)
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$4,750,000
2$2,750,000
2$2,750,000
3$3,500,000
2$1,750,000
Trades
1.
COL
  1. Connor, Kyle
WPG
  1. Byram, Bowen
2.
COL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (DAL)
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (NYI)
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OTT
  1. Compher, J.T.
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2020
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2021
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2022
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21$81,500,000$79,266,785$0$2,925,000$2,233,215
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Connor, Kyle
$7,142,857$7,142,857
LW
UFA - 6
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MacKinnon, Nathan
$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
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UFA - 3
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Rantanen, Mikko
$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 5
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Landeskog, Gabriel
$5,571,429$5,571,429
LW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Burakovsky, André
$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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Nichushkin, Valeri
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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Jost, Tyson
$1,750,000$1,750,000
C
UFA - 1
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Calvert, Matt
$2,850,000$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
$1,800,000$1,800,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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Donskoi, Joonas
$3,900,000$3,900,000
RW
UFA - 3
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Kaut, Martin
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RW
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Graves, Ryan
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 3
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Makar, Cale
$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RD
UFA - 1
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Grubauer, Philipp
$3,333,333$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
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Girard, Samuel
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 7
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Johnson, Erik
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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Francouz, Pavel
$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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Zadorov, Nikita
$3,500,000$3,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Cole, Ian
$3,450,000$3,450,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Timmins, Conor
$925,000$925,000
RD
RFA - 1

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Aug. 7, 2020 at 9:41 a.m.
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i get what your saying but this only works for one year no? landeskog and makar get extended next off-season.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 9:42 a.m.
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Bold move, and if COL doesn’t win this year, could be a real move. They might not love breaking up their fire first line
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 9:45 a.m.
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Personally, I would do it in a heartbeat. I have stated before that Byram is a luxury for the team. If he brings Connor then it's a huge victory (IMO).
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 9:47 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
i get what your saying but this only works for one year no? landeskog and makar get extended next off-season.


Cole comes off the books, and one of Zadorov or Donskoi is lost to Seattle. Trade the other and they should be good.
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 9:55 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
i get what your saying but this only works for one year no? landeskog and makar get extended next off-season.


We still have cap space.
Calvert, Bellemare and Cole all come off the books.
Bowers/Kamanev (maybe Newhook) come up on cheap or ELC to fill 4th line
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 9:55 a.m.
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Quoting: SuckMyAvs
Cole comes off the books, and one of Zadorov or Donskoi is lost to Seattle. Trade the other and they should be good.


Quoting: McRanteskog
We still have cap space.
Calvert, Bellemare and Cole all come off the books.
Bowers/Kamanev (maybe Newhook) come up on cheap or ELC to fill 4th line



still don't think that's enough for landeskog and makar. what about grubauer?
Aug. 7, 2020 at 9:58 a.m.
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Don't think I'd do it as Winnipeg.

Connor is a PPG player, and, although Byram is one of the best prospects outside of the NHL, going 1 for 1 in this situation is terrifying as heck. Maybe add Zadorov on Colorado's side, and something else to even it out from Winnipeg's side. Does that leave you with a hole on your D though?
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:02 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
still don't think that's enough for landeskog and makar. what about grubauer?


Need to find a LD option for the third pairing, but it should be doable (IMO).

Mack 6,300,000
Landy 7,250,000
Rants 9,250,000
Kadri 4,500,000
Connor 7,142,857
Bura 4,750,000
Newhook 925,000
Jost 1,750,000
Choochoo 2,750,000
Kamenev 800,000
Bowers 925,000
Kaut 894,167
LOC 750,000
Graves 2,750,000
Mak 9,250,000
G 5,000,000
EJ 6,000,000
??? 1,500,000
Timmins 1,250,000
??? 750,000
Gru 4,850,000
Frankie 2,000,000
Total 81,337,024
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:05 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
still don't think that's enough for landeskog and makar. what about grubauer?


COL needs to fill 3 F, 2 D, 1 G hole the next year:
Landeskog - 6.5mil
Bowers - 925K
Kamanev - 800k

Makar - 8mil
Timmins - 1.5mil

Grubauer- 5.5mil
*minus 3.9mil for Donskoi going to Seattle leaves you about 1.675 mil space to find a F to replace Donskoi
Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:07 a.m.
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Quoting: SuckMyAvs
Need to find a LD option for the third pairing, but it should be doable (IMO).

Mack 6,300,000
Landy 7,250,000
Rants 9,250,000
Kadri 4,500,000
Connor 7,142,857
Bura 4,750,000
Newhook 925,000
Jost 1,750,000
Choochoo 2,750,000
Kamenev 800,000
Bowers 925,000
Kaut 894,167
LOC 750,000
Graves 2,750,000
Mak 9,250,000
G 5,000,000
EJ 6,000,000
??? 1,500,000
Timmins 1,250,000
??? 750,000
Gru 4,850,000
Frankie 2,000,000
Total 81,337,024


i just look a look myself. it looks like it will just work with keep grubauer. but the avs have to move donskoi, compher, jost, zadorov with only elc's/league min contracts coming back. there wont be any room for raises and bonuses might cause a problem. it also requires the avs to have about 6 rookies/sophomores in the line-up. so it is do-able but i'm not sure it's a better team after gutting the depth.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:07 a.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
Don't think I'd do it as Winnipeg.

Connor is a PPG player, and, although Byram is one of the best prospects outside of the NHL, going 1 for 1 in this situation is terrifying as heck. Maybe add Zadorov on Colorado's side, and something else to even it out from Winnipeg's side. Does that leave you with a hole on your D though?


Cant add a roster D man, COL can add a pick if WPG wants
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:08 a.m.
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Colorado would need a pretty significant add to Byram for Connor. But he would be a nice add to the deal.
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:10 a.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Colorado would need a pretty significant add to Byram for Connor. But he would be a nice add to the deal.


COL can add a pick or Compher or Donskoi, your choice
Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:12 a.m.
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Quoting: SuckMyAvs
Need to find a LD option for the third pairing, but it should be doable (IMO).

Mack 6,300,000
Landy 7,250,000
Rants 9,250,000
Kadri 4,500,000
Connor 7,142,857
Bura 4,750,000
Newhook 925,000
Jost 1,750,000
Choochoo 2,750,000
Kamenev 800,000
Bowers 925,000
Kaut 894,167
LOC 750,000
Graves 2,750,000
Mak 9,250,000
G 5,000,000
EJ 6,000,000
??? 1,500,000
Timmins 1,250,000
??? 750,000
Gru 4,850,000
Frankie 2,000,000
Total 81,337,024


Ive got different ideas on some of your signings. Ive got:
Landeskog 6.5mil
Grubauer 5.5mil
Makar 8mil
Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:13 a.m.
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Cant add a roster D man, COL can add a pick if WPG wants


That could make some sense. It just seems like an absolutely dangerous move to trade a sure thing for a prospect straight up.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:14 a.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
COL can add a pick or Compher or Donskoi, your choice


No, it would need to be a going established 2C or at least top 6 F or top 4D. It would not be all futures.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:14 a.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
That could make some sense. It just seems like an absolutely dangerous move to trade a sure thing for a prospect straight up.


I think with WPG losing Myers, Trouba and Byfuglien all in one year, they need a Byram type player in their system
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:16 a.m.
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No, it would need to be a going established 2C or at least top 6 F or top 4D. It would not be all futures.


Makes no sense.
Connor is a first line player and you want an established second liner plus Byram to move him? no chance.
Compher and Donskoi are both low end 2nd liners, higher end third liners
Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:16 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
i just look a look myself. it looks like it will just work with keep grubauer. but the avs have to move donskoi, compher, jost, zadorov with only elc's/league min contracts coming back. there wont be any room for raises and bonuses might cause a problem. it also requires the avs to have about 6 rookies/sophomores in the line-up. so it is do-able but i'm not sure it's a better team after gutting the depth.


Agree on all but Jost. I think they can keep him, as he won't be too expensive. And with guys like Bowers, Newhook, Kaut, Kamenev, and O'Connor I don't mind losing the others that much. Really JT and Z will probably be gone anyway, so the losses aren't as great as it may seem on paper.

Bonuses should be kept in mind, but I doubt it will be an issue. It's unlikely they exceed the allowable amount due to guys in the bottom six or on the third pairing, which is where all the rookies would be.

This is how I see things anyway. Obviously there can be room for disagreement, as we don't know for sure what the contracts will be like in any environment, let alone this one.
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:20 a.m.
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No, it would need to be a going established 2C or at least top 6 F or top 4D. It would not be all futures.


How about a monster:

Byram, Zadorov, and either Donskoi or Compher for Connor and Samberg.
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:22 a.m.
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I think with WPG losing Myers, Trouba and Byfuglien all in one year, they need a Byram type player in their system


True, but they need more than that.

How often do we see a 1st line winger traded for a prospect straight up? Connor likely gets something along the lines of Top prospect+1st+decent roster player (if not more) if we're going by straight up value.

They are absolutely not the same player, but Connor's career .81 points per game vs. Rantanen's 0.88 aren't THAT far off, and I can't imagine you ever considering trading Rantanen for 1 prospect, regardless of whether he was one of the top 5 prospects in the NHL.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:24 a.m.
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Makes no sense.
Connor is a first line player and you want an established second liner plus Byram to move him? no chance.
Compher and Donskoi are both low end 2nd liners, higher end third liners


Then you probably understand it from our side. You want an established first line winger, who has never scored less than 30 goals for a prospect that didn't progress well this year and a couple bottom sixers. No chance.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:25 a.m.
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How about a monster:

Byram, Zadorov, and either Donskoi or Compher for Connor and Samberg.


No thanks. No interest in giving up quality for quantity.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:27 a.m.
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How about a monster:

Byram, Zadorov, and either Donskoi or Compher for Connor and Samberg.


I think COL D isnt strong/big enough with Zadorov
Aug. 7, 2020 at 10:29 a.m.
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Then you probably understand it from our side. You want an established first line winger, who has never scored less than 30 goals for a prospect that didn't progress well this year and a couple bottom sixers. No chance.


Who didnt progress well? Byram?
You out of your mind? Hes a top 5 prospect in the NHL, top 1-2 for a defenseman.
Give your head a shake
 
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