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Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 7, 2020
Published: Aug. 7, 2020
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COL best chances of winning a cup are in the next two years:
1) before Makar, Landeskog and Grubauer get paid
2) before MacKinnon/Francouz get paid and Kadri leaves

With that being said, I understand we are all big on Byram and his potential -BUT- seeing as COL best chance to win a cup is in the next two years, the impact Connor provides now, is more valuable to a cup run (in these two years) than having Byram will be.

Byram year 1 will maybe play third pair minutes. Year 2 he will (at best) be playing second pair minutes. Connor on the other hand fills out the top 6F, is an elite goal scorer and provides a MAJOR impact in the next two critical cup contending years.

I get that some COL fans will say "Byram will be a future elite top pairing D man", but he wont be "elite" status for maybe 4 years, well past this optimal cup window in the next two years (while Makar and MacKinnon are still cheap).

Core 4 on D moving forward become Makar/Girard/Graves/Timmins

**moving Compher is to save cap space (hence keeping Jost instead)
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$4,750,000
2$2,750,000
2$2,750,000
3$3,500,000
2$1,750,000
Trades
1.
COL
  1. Connor, Kyle
WPG
  1. Byram, Bowen
2.
COL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (DAL)
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (NYI)
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OTT
  1. Compher, J.T.
Additional Details:
no specific team here, just two 2nds
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2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$79,266,785$0$2,925,000$2,233,215
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Connor, Kyle
$7,142,857$7,142,857
LW
UFA - 6
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MacKinnon, Nathan
$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
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Rantanen, Mikko
$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 5
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Landeskog, Gabriel
$5,571,429$5,571,429
LW, C
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UFA - 1
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Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Burakovsky, André
$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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Nichushkin, Valeri
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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Jost, Tyson
$1,750,000$1,750,000
C
UFA - 1
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Calvert, Matt
$2,850,000$2,850,000
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Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
$1,800,000$1,800,000
C, LW
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Donskoi, Joonas
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RW
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Kaut, Martin
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RW
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Graves, Ryan
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 3
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Makar, Cale
$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RD
UFA - 1
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Grubauer, Philipp
$3,333,333$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
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Girard, Samuel
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 7
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Johnson, Erik
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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Francouz, Pavel
$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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Zadorov, Nikita
$3,500,000$3,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Cole, Ian
$3,450,000$3,450,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Timmins, Conor
$925,000$925,000
RD
RFA - 1

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Aug. 7, 2020 at 12:05 p.m.
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@Windjammer @Lumberjacques

This whole thing kinda stems from WPG cap crunch.
Seen tons of "move Ehlers, cant keep Roslovic/Niku" stuff. COL prefer Connor and moving his cap for top tier prospect like Byram (on 3 years of ELC money) means you can afford to keep Ehlers/Roslovic/Niku et.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 12:13 p.m.
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@Windjammer

But do you not realize how pointless it would be for a team to remove a top 6F in order to bring in a top 6F in Connor? Like 2 steps forward and 1.5 steps back. The net gain makes the process almost pointless. Unless youd find more value in Newhook over Byram?


The way I interpreted it was that they want an established top 6 C or top 4 D to improve their areas of weakness if trading Connor. So maybe a team trades a C who has less offense for a more dynamic Connor.

Sort of like Connor for a Cirelli or Horvat type player.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 12:13 p.m.
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Byram doesn’t make sense for the Jets because our two best prospects (Samberg and Heinola) are both LHDs who are both very close to being NHL ready. Sure they’re not quite at same level as Byram, but they don’t have to be cause Morrissey is already there on the 1st pairing. Trading Connor for future help where we already have quality prospects doesn’t make any sense.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 12:14 p.m.
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@Windjammer @Lumberjacques

This whole thing kinda stems from WPG cap crunch.
Seen tons of "move Ehlers, cant keep Roslovic/Niku" stuff. COL prefer Connor and moving his cap for top tier prospect like Byram (on 3 years of ELC money) means you can afford to keep Ehlers/Roslovic/Niku et.


Sure, but then you can also see it from our side. Trading a young, first line winger on a great contract for a prospect and pick is definitely a step back for a team that is still building to contend now.

In regards to your second part, that's where you're looking at this wrong. The Jets have about $15 mil in cap space with all core pieces signed and another 5 of Little needs to retire out go LTIR.

In other words none of the core needs to be moved for cap reasons.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 12:16 p.m.
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Byram doesn’t make sense for the Jets because our two best prospects (Samberg and Heinola) are both LHDs who are both very close to being NHL ready. Sure they’re not quite at same level as Byram, but they don’t have to be cause Morrissey is already there on the 1st pairing. Trading Connor for future help where we already have quality prospects doesn’t make any sense.


Is Newhook of more value to you then Byram?
Aug. 7, 2020 at 12:18 p.m.
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Is Newhook of more value to you then Byram?


Positionally yes, but in a vacuum Byram has more value than Newhook so there would need to be an even bigger add. Winnipeg isn’t exactly in a position to trade established players for prospects right now.
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 12:58 p.m.
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Honestly colorado is set up so well right now, you bring in connor and they go from the 3rd best scoring team to possibly the first.. you lose byram to a division rival, and make it a certainty that the team will need a severe makeover in order to sign landy, makar, grubs..
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 1:30 p.m.
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Honestly colorado is set up so well right now, you bring in connor and they go from the 3rd best scoring team to possibly the first.. you lose byram to a division rival, and make it a certainty that the team will need a severe makeover in order to sign landy, makar, grubs..

Honestly that was my thought as well. I’d rather keep Byram, sell Hall on a 4 or 5 yr deal, sign Burakovsky to a shorter deal, let Namestikov walk. Now is the time to leverage the ELC’s and lower $ deals of Byram, Kaut, Bowers, LOC, Timmins, Nichushkin and even Jost. Even if that means a guy like Donskoi or Compher is traded. Right @SuckMyAvs ?
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 1:33 p.m.
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Honestly that was my thought as well. I’d rather keep Byram, sell Hall on a 4 or 5 yr deal, sign Burakovsky to a shorter deal, let Namestikov walk. Now is the time to leverage the ELC’s and lower $ deals of Byram, Kaut, Bowers, LOC, Timmins, Nichushkin and even Jost. Even if that means a guy like Donskoi or Compher is traded. Right @SuckMyAvs ?


Yeah I agree. We have beat that horse to death though, so might as well argue over something new, lol.
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 1:37 p.m.
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Honestly that was my thought as well. I’d rather keep Byram, sell Hall on a 4 or 5 yr deal, sign Burakovsky to a shorter deal, let Namestikov walk. Now is the time to leverage the ELC’s and lower $ deals of Byram, Kaut, Bowers, LOC, Timmins, Nichushkin and even Jost. Even if that means a guy like Donskoi or Compher is traded. Right @SuckMyAvs ?


Quoting: SuckMyAvs
Yeah I agree. We have beat that horse to death though, so might as well argue over something new, lol.


Im over the Hall to COL stuff.
Bored of the Drouin and Tatar to COL stuff.
Exhausted about the Rakell to COL stuff.
Getting kinda stale drumming up fresh, but logical, COL trades to add a top 6 winger
Aug. 7, 2020 at 1:54 p.m.
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Im over the Hall to COL stuff.
Bored of the Drouin and Tatar to COL stuff.
Exhausted about the Rakell to COL stuff.
Getting kinda stale drumming up fresh, but logical, COL trades to add a top 6 winger


Duclair?
Aug. 7, 2020 at 2:02 p.m.
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Duclair?


no offense, but Duclair aint it. Just look at his track record, 5 teams in 6 years.
Thats 5 GMs and 5 HC and not one of them say "lets keep him and build around him/with him".

first season - whatever
second season - holy cr*p
third season - where'd he go
fourth season - still cant find him
fifth season - i think hes got it
sixth season - okay, we didnt take a step back, but is he for real

Not enough consistency. Not nearly high enough caliber to be a top 6F on a cup favourite team
Aug. 7, 2020 at 2:14 p.m.
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no offense, but Duclair aint it. Just look at his track record, 5 teams in 6 years.
Thats 5 GMs and 5 HC and not one of them say "lets keep him and build around him/with him".

first season - whatever
second season - holy cr*p
third season - where'd he go
fourth season - still cant find him
fifth season - i think hes got it
sixth season - okay, we didnt take a step back, but is he for real

Not enough consistency. Not nearly high enough caliber to be a top 6F on a cup favourite team


No i agree but I think hed be a great guy for third line with ability to go off on a hot streak and steal a series. Especialy at his cap hit being so low
Aug. 7, 2020 at 2:19 p.m.
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No i agree but I think hed be a great guy for third line with ability to go off on a hot streak and steal a series. Especialy at his cap hit being so low


Good point per dollar guy.
I just feel that:
a) I am not confident he wont regress next year.
b) Is moving him to team #6 in 7 years really the best thing for his development? He seems to have found a rhythm, leave the guy alone lol
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 2:31 p.m.
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Honestly that was my thought as well. I’d rather keep Byram, sell Hall on a 4 or 5 yr deal, sign Burakovsky to a shorter deal, let Namestikov walk. Now is the time to leverage the ELC’s and lower $ deals of Byram, Kaut, Bowers, LOC, Timmins, Nichushkin and even Jost. Even if that means a guy like Donskoi or Compher is traded. Right @SuckMyAvs ?


Even though I agree about keeping byram, I disagree with the rest, stay away from Hall especially on a more than 1 year deal. I'd wanna lock burakovsky up to a mid to long term deal and capitalize on him having terrible years previous to lower the aav.. namestikov looks awesome on this team and super versatile if hes going to cost 4mill or less lock him up too.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 4:26 p.m.
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Even though I agree about keeping byram, I disagree with the rest, stay away from Hall especially on a more than 1 year deal. I'd wanna lock burakovsky up to a mid to long term deal and capitalize on him having terrible years previous to lower the aav.. namestikov looks awesome on this team and super versatile if hes going to cost 4mill or less lock him up too.


Locking Burakovsky up long term would be a mistake in my opinion. He had a great year but it was still only 20 goals. I don’t disagree Namestikov has looked good, but it’s a super small sample size. If the point of signing him is to play him w/MacK ok, but I’d rather have Hall who literally allows you to have 2 1st lines, pick your poison.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 5:52 p.m.
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A young proven PPG player signed to a great contract with term is in the ballpark of the type of player I would seriously consider trading Byram for. Barkov or Huberdeau would be other options.

It would be so hard to pull the trigger on this trade though, I go back and forth.

Whatever the case, if we acquired Connor I doubt that he plays with Mackinnon and Rantanen as that line would be way too offensive and there would be no "dirty areas" player like Landeskog or Namestnikov to hold it together. I'd be more inclined to pair Connor and Rantanen on the 2nd line and have Landeskog + 1 with Mackinnon on the 1st line. Connor needs service from a playmaker to get the best of him, whereas Mackinnon can dominate on his own if he just has reliable linemates.
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