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After the EDM pick ruling

Created by: Tkachinla
Team: 2020-21 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 5, 2020
Published: Aug. 7, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
NSH gets the better player in the deal. 80-90 points versus 60-70 points. Similar contracts.

CGY gets a bigger bodied forward that suits their forecheck / cycle style better.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$800,000
2$900,000
2$800,000
5$4,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
2$2,750,000
1$750,000
2$4,000,000
3$3,500,000
Trades
1.
CGY
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (CHI)
  2. 2021 1st round pick (MTL)
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (CHI)
MTL
  1. Hanifin, Noah
  2. 2020 4th round pick (SJS)
2.
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$75,089,166$0$457,500$6,410,834
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$6,375,000$6,375,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$4,850,000$4,850,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NTC
UFA - 4
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$2,550,000$2,550,000
C
UFA - 1
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$778,333$778,333 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C
UFA - 1
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$3,125,000$3,125,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,375,000$3,375,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 6
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$1,375,000$1,375,000
G
UFA - 1
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LD
RFA - 1
$4,000,000$4,000,000
RD
UFA
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 3
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$900,000$900,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Aug. 7, 2020 at 3:13 p.m.
#26
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Quoting: Vanderm
So you wouldn’t sign Byfuglien on a short-term deal for cheaper than Hanifin if he wanted to come play in CGY? Of course that one is a “who knows if it could happen”. The rest of the moves on D are in range. Hanifin price is fair market value to a team that needs a LD. Gus and Forbort are fair market value based on production.


forbort is not worth almost 3 million 2 us
Aug. 7, 2020 at 3:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Looked really good in camp but this is the exact reason why Hanifin cant be moved. Hurts even more if Gio continues to regress.


i agree
Aug. 7, 2020 at 3:15 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Which would be an utter disaster. There isn't a team in the Pacific that wouldn't feast on that pairing playing 20+min a night. You don't have the horses in net to sustain that kind of attack.

Hanafin isn't even remotely close to being one of Calgary's top problems. Goaltending and a lack of quality center and right wing depth are. If Hanafin isn't being traded to address one of those issues, you aren't trading Hanafin.


wow!, for a oilers fan u sure know cgy ( at least better than the idiot named vanderm
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Aug. 7, 2020 at 3:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Vanderm
Goaltending is not the issue this year. Talbot matched Hellebuyck’s numbers in 2020, and is playing lights out. Pretty awesome guy to have as a “1B” for under $3M.

And Rittich still has good upside potential. These guys are a very solid, worthwhile gamble for cheaper than your average starter goalie AAV.


ok, the goaltending isnt an issue, but that dosnt mean u trade hanifin & overpay forbort
Aug. 7, 2020 at 3:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
But thats the exact problem, that was 2 years ago. I think he will be top pairing ready in a year or so but Im not moving Hanifin and overexposing him to find out. Like what exactly are you trading him for here? Buffs done hes 35, overweight and has no desire to keep playing. I wouldnt offer him more than 1M. I will gladly keep our young promising LD with term


LOL, ur right about him being overweight!
Aug. 7, 2020 at 3:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
What? Gaudreau played quite well this series. Also Hanifin was a lot better than Forbort. I dont know if you noticed this year but Gio had a pretty massive regression from last year. What if that happens again and we trade Hanifin. Then we instantly suck. At least with Hanifin he is atill 23 and improving so he can step up and skate first line minutes with Ras. Valimaki is not ready for that.


I have loved Gaudreau for years. Bought a jersey before his first game with CGY. Have loved watching him grow over the years. Have felt that he could be CGY’s Patty Kane for the long term. And he’s been proving he can be a game breaker during the regular season, and put up 99 points last year!

9 points in 11 games during his first playoff experience....5 years ago. Since then, he’s been much, much worse when it matters.

3 points against WPG. The assist was a forced passed that took two bounces off feet and sticks and eventually found Monahan at the top of the crease to bury it. And one goal was an empty netter...so basically had the one solid play (PP goal) in the series that impacted the scoreboard.

I cannot believe some of the comments coming from TV and Twitter analysts about how he looked good this series. He didn’t. He looked terrified. He looked like he was hiding an injury. Please go back and watch his shifts. He isn’t entering the zone well off the rush with the puck (his biggest skill add), and he’s doing less than nothing defensively.

I used to be his biggest fan. And over the past two years his playoff performance has completely changed my view. Kane plays better in playoffs. 5’10” and finds a way to drive play without taking hard hits. Why can’t Johnny use his vision and agility to do the same? Mangiapane and Dube are similar size and aren’t scared of contact — their game improves during playoffs. And the best example to compare: Spurgeon plays top pair minutes on defense and doesn’t look scared of anybody. 5’9” and plays defense without fear of contact. It’s like Johnny has 10% confidence during playoffs, even with Tkachuk, Lucic, and Bennett on his team to impose size on other teams.

Johnny needs to work with a sport phsychologist and Gary Roberts to build the mental and physical confidence required to compete in playoffs. And I personally don’t think he’s willing to make the changes to strengthen his game based on his performance. And that’s the issue. Give him a change of scenery and it might be just what he needs to level up. But I don’t think it’s happening in CGY.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 3:21 p.m.
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Quoting: cgy_flame_fan
3 points in 4 games is just a blip


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3 points in 4 games is just a blip


Go watch the highlights of his 3 points. Empty net goal, a whiffed lucky pass that bounces off 2 players before Monahan makes a great play to score. One nice/talented PP goal from the side of the net. 4 games. 20+ minutes per game.

That’s not impressive for a guy who is supposed to be top line. He didn’t impact the games in any other fashion outside of that.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 3:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Vanderm
Goaltending is not the issue this year. Talbot matched Hellebuyck’s numbers in 2020, and is playing lights out. Pretty awesome guy to have as a “1B” for under $3M.

And Rittich still has good upside potential. These guys are a very solid, worthwhile gamble for cheaper than your average starter goalie AAV.


If Talbot had to play 58 games behind this year's iteration of the Flames, Calgary thanks their luck stars if Talbot is a .910 goaltender.

Hellebuyck was in consideration for the Hart trophy this year: the man had nothing in front of him. He had one of the greatest goaltending campaigns of the modern era. If he'd have had one or two more quality NHL defencemen in front of him, a .940 over effectively 60 games was likely. Talbot isn't even in the same breath as Hellebuyck, smarten up.

What potential? Rittich is what he is. That man isn't going to develop into the second coming of Kiprusoff overnight.

Quoting: Vanderm
Hanifin was far and away CGY’s worst dman during the WPG series. He’s not physical. And his skating/passing/defending was nowhere near where it needs to be.

Sure, I can agree it’s a big gamble to move him out right now without having Valimaki proving he can handle 20 minutes. That’s a great/fair comment. I’m pitching a bit of a gamble here in this post because I think it ends up working out for CGY.

Do you agree on Hanifin‘s trade value? Because CGY could pursue some options in UFA or trade with those assets to acquire another LD to replace him.


Hanafin was Calgary's best defender throughout that series, and it would serve the Flames moving forward to play him more instead of the Giordano-Brodie pairing.

Personally, I don't care if the trade value is accurate. You're losing effectively any Hanafin trade the Flames make unless there's a proven top-4 LHD coming out of thin air to replace him.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 3:33 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
If Talbot had to play 58 games behind this year's iteration of the Flames, Calgary thanks their luck stars if Talbot is a .910 goaltender.

Hellebuyck was in consideration for the Hart trophy this year: the man had nothing in front of him. He had one of the greatest goaltending campaigns of the modern era. If he'd have had one or two more quality NHL defencemen in front of him, a .940 over effectively 60 games was likely. Talbot isn't even in the same breath as Hellebuyck, smarten up.

What potential? Rittich is what he is. That man isn't going to develop into the second coming of Kiprusoff overnight.



Hanafin was Calgary's best defender throughout that series, and it would serve the Flames moving forward to play him more instead of the Giordano-Brodie pairing.

Personally, I don't care if the trade value is accurate. You're losing effectively any Hanafin trade the Flames make unless there's a proven top-4 LHD coming out of thin air to replace him.


man, i have high respect for u now
Aug. 7, 2020 at 3:34 p.m.
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Go watch the highlights of his 3 points. Empty net goal, a whiffed lucky pass that bounces off 2 players before Monahan makes a great play to score. One nice/talented PP goal from the side of the net. 4 games. 20+ minutes per game.

That’s not impressive for a guy who is supposed to be top line. He didn’t impact the games in any other fashion outside of that.


people dont care how u got the points, look at his 99 point year, im sure u remember how he got every single point
Aug. 7, 2020 at 3:54 p.m.
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people dont care how u got the points, look at his 99 point year, im sure u remember how he got every single point


Lol. Man. CGY would’ve beat WPG without Gaudreau in the series. He was not a factor.
Aug. 7, 2020 at 3:57 p.m.
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Lol. Man. CGY would’ve beat WPG without Gaudreau in the series. He was not a factor.


we coud have without any one player
Aug. 7, 2020 at 3:57 p.m.
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we coud have without any one player


(except maybe tkachuk)
Aug. 8, 2020 at 11:15 a.m.
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Hanifin would not get a 1, 2, and 3 from anybody - no matter how desperate.
 
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