realistically none of them are going anywhere.

edit: muzzin was okay. he just couldn’t come back due to the leagues rules about the bubble, right? he was out of the hospital and doing fine, was he not?

Yup but unable to play, just bad luck. Things are looking up for the leafs defence, loosing Barrie and ceci and replacing them with Sandin liljegren and lehtonen is already an upgrade. Barrie was by far the worst defender the leafs had.

It could have been a concussion or his neck/nerve--so you won't know unless they announce it.

And the Maple Leaf fans scapegoat tradition lives on....

... Jake Gardiner, Dion Phaneuf, Cufo, Larry Murphy,etc.

...congrats on adding yet another name...I was debating whether it would be Barrie or Nylander.

Barrie was not a good fit all year. He’s not a scape goat for our loss, just looking forward to next year.

an argument could be made for ceci lol. young guys just need a chance to play and prove themselves.

Dermott can play right side and he looked pretty solid this series. Liljegren is a RHD he looks promising. Lehtonen we don’t know about yet, but a guy like Demelo could be signed. and dermott can play the left

Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-liljegren

I would try that next season and see what shakes lose. A lot of teams have players free up a month or two into the season as younger players take their spots.

Kessel? Feel like he was abused way more than the people you named

Didn’t you just sign a guy from the Swiss league? Where he at?

Clifford doesn't want to be apart of that dumpster fire

I think Leafs fans just need to stay patient with this young team and realize that most of these players have not yet hit their peak years yet. However, I do think there will be some changes coming as team needs to add some size and grit and upgrade the defence and add some quality veteran players to this group.

Would not be surprised to see Nylander involved in a trade to acquire a quality defenceman and rebalance the team's cap space between the forwards and defence. I also think Anderson may have played his last game as a Leaf as his track record of letting in a soft goal in big games does not bode well for him. Would not be surprised to see Kerfoot, Johnsson or even Kapanan involved in a deal and was also disappointed by the play of Mikheyev who was missing in action.

I think you are right about Sandin getting into the Leafs top 6 next year but I feel there is a trade or UFA signing coming to add one more quality defenseman. I guess the other consideration with any trade is the upcoming Seattle expansion draft and affect on protecting key players.

Lehtonen, he’s an unknown. If he makes his way in there, all the better.

This is the kind of thinking that leads to loses next year. It's clear there is a defensive problem on the leafs. Simply using the same pieces over and over again is not the answer.
Ceci sucks, he should be gone. Dermott is a 3rd pairing guy at best. Liljegren should stay in the AHL. Hope and prayer on Lehtonen. This team needs 2 real top 4 defense men if it wants to be competitive.




Are you kidding me. The defense man made no effort to bet between him and the goal. As much as you think he was protecting the center of the ice.....there was no one there. He was all alone down there with the puck and no one stepped up to him. He took the space, took the shot, that was it. You can't leave guys open like that to make those shots, because 1st round draft picks with some offensive skill will make them. If he was some 4th liner, maybe I could see that. But that was poor defense. He needed to slide over, get in the way, take that lane and space from him. He didn't.

Next GM is Chiarelli.
He will hire Babcock...
and the beat goes on!

? Are you talking about the 2nd goal?

yes the 2nd goal.

I was talking about the 1st. The 2nd goal was a bad change. Maybe Andersen should have stopped it behind the net. Marincin was trying to stop him from moving it up high to the two cbj players coming in and left a waster shot down from down low that should have been stopped.

I don’t very much like defending Marincin but that one was not his fault.

There was no one there to help Foudy. No one. I'm not sure which game you were watching.
He stopped, looked for help, there was none, PLD was coming down the same side of the ice toward the net, But had 2 leafs with him and by the time he got there, Foudy had all ready shot the puck. He should have moved over. Instead he let him walk up and take the shot. Go watch the replay. Even if he moved over, he'd still would have been in position to defend PLD. Who skated right toward him. Instead he was frozen, like a deer caught in the headlights. Did nothing on the play.

Watch the replay... 2nd angle. 1st angle only shows one player skating in the other player was a Dman that peeled off when foudy shot.

Not sure what game you were watching. But I wouldn’t call that prime scoring area.

other angle. you can see the whole TOR side of the ice from the 1st angle.
The 2nd defense many you are referring to is like 10 feet behind PLD. Who was so far out of the play when Foudy chose to shoot he wasn't even at the circles.

Foudy choose that shot well before any help was there, and he chose it because the defense did nothing but watch.
Believe me, if Foudy wanted to pass the puck to PLD or that defense man, the TOR defender was not in the lane of that pass, at all.
He wasn't blocking anything. And he had all kinds of defensive help.

You can keep defending it, it was poor play. He needed to move over and help take away that shot lane. He should have forced Foudy to either shoot though him, or pass it. Not allow him to skate up and shoot it.

Only because you are too lazy

Like I said, he isn't in a position to stop that pass.
That angle also cuts out the other 2 TOR defenders who are right next to him and PLD.Notice again he's not at the top of the circle yet.
It makes no difference his defense on PLD if he stays there or moves down and takes away the shooting lane.
The only thing you did was prove me right... FFS that "defense man" is pretty much at the blue line. He's not a threat.

What shooting lane? He was between the icing line and the circle? He didn’t make the pass because believe it or not that is a picture and the players were actually in motion. He took the pass away and left Andersen an easy shot.

Like I have said here dozens of times I don’t think Marincin is very good, would love to use him as a scape goat here but he played it correctly. Leafs changed 4 players and left him alone.

I call bs.

Look at time frame 3:17 on the NHL site.

There are 2 TOR players within feet of PLD right next to him.
Foudy skated right toward the TOR defense man, who did nothing. Even the announcer says it. "He just stops" Instead of taking out the guy crashing toward the net and shooting.
He choose to defend the wrong guy. A guy he didn't need to worry about because A. he was out the play until after Foudy charged the net, B. he wasn't actually in his passing lane anyway until after Foudy put him in the way by charging forward.

He did not clean Foudy up. take way his space, prevent him from crashing the net, and shooting.

That's his job. His jobis the closest guy to the net. It's not the at the top of the circle with two other TOR players right next to him.

Crashing the net? He shot from 10-12 feet away and then Marincin hit him before he could get to the net. Probably assuming there might be a rebound.

A defenders job is to take away the pass, especially when the shot is from that horrible of a spot. He did that and prevented foudy from getting to the net. Unfortunately Andersen let in a soft goal, not that it mattered because the winning goal was scored in the first.