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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 10, 2020
Published: Aug. 10, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,000,000
4$2,000,000
4$3,600,000
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4$7,000,000
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Lafreniere, Alexei
3$925,000
Trades
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TOR
  1. 2020 1st round pick (TOR)
CAR
  1. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
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    Traded to the Sun for future considerations
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    TOR
    1. 2020 3rd round pick (NYR)
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    2. 2021 2nd round pick (WPG)
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    2020
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    2021
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    22$81,500,000$80,231,783$0$400,000$1,268,217
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    $2,250,000$2,250,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
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    $11,640,250$11,640,250
    C
    UFA - 4
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    $6,962,366$6,962,366
    RW
    UFA - 4
    Lafreniere, Alexei
    $925,000$925,000
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    $11,000,000$11,000,000
    C, LW
    NMC
    UFA - 5
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    $925,000$925,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
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    $821,667$821,667
    LW, RW
    RFA - 4
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    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    LW, C, RW
    UFA - 3
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    $3,200,000$3,200,000
    RW
    UFA - 2
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    $1,250,000$1,250,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
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    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    $3,600,000$3,600,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    $7,000,000$7,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 7
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    $4,250,000$4,250,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
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    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
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    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    LD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
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    $925,000$925,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
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    $1,650,000$1,650,000
    G
    UFA - 2
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    $5,625,000$5,625,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
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    $894,167$894,167
    LD
    UFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    $750,000$750,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
    RD
    RFA - 2

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    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:06 a.m.
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    Just curious. As a fan of an organisation that is not the Leafs do you see how this negatively affects the parity of the league and would fail to have the Leafs organisation held accountable for their contract decisions?
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:09 a.m.
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    Quoting: Seider53
    Just curious. As a fan of an organisation that is not the Leafs do you see how this negatively affects the parity of the league and would fail to have the Leafs organisation held accountable for their contract decisions?


    Nope.
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:11 a.m.
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    Nope.


    Fair enough, what logic are Leafs fans using to rationalise a Lafreniere lottery win not negatively affecting parity?
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:12 a.m.
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    Quoting: Seider53
    Just curious. As a fan of an organisation that is not the Leafs do you see how this negatively affects the parity of the league and would fail to have the Leafs organisation held accountable for their contract decisions?


    What does this mean? Every team in this league has made poor contract decisions. How is singling out the Leafs addressing the contract issues league wide? Are you suggesting the Leafs are solely responsible for overpaying the top players on their team?
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:14 a.m.
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    What does this mean? Every team in this league has made poor contract decisions. How is singling out the Leafs addressing the contract issues league wide? Are you suggesting the Leafs are solely responsible for overpaying the top players on their team?


    No, not entirely contracts have been bizarre over the last couple of years, and while the Leaf's recent signings havn't performed to their value other teams have similar mistakes on their roster.
    It would lessen the argument that over-high contracts have a negative impact on the team overall, as Lafreniere projects to be elite and would allow the Leafs to really move out of a sticky situation.
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:18 a.m.
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    Quoting: Seider53
    No, not entirely contracts have been bizarre over the last couple of years, and while the Leaf's recent signings havn't performed to their value other teams have similar mistakes on their roster.
    It would lessen the argument that over-high contracts have a negative impact on the team overall, as Lafreniere projects to be elite and would allow the Leafs to really move out of a sticky situation.


    How is that different from the some of the other teams eligible for the 1st overall? I would argue that teams like Minnesota, Edmonton and Pittsburgh are in the same boat as the Leafs. It seems you have more of an issue with the outcome of the lottery this year, rather than the teams that could win the 1st overall.
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:20 a.m.
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    How is that different from the some of the other teams eligible for the 1st overall? I would argue that teams like Minnesota, Edmonton and Pittsburgh are in the same boat as the Leafs. It seems you have more of an issue with the outcome of the lottery this year, rather than the teams that could win the 1st overall.


    Oh it's not Leafs specific. But obviously my perspective is not of a team in line for the 1st pick. I'm curious as to how those teams' fans are feeling about this system.
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:23 a.m.
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    Quoting: Seider53
    Fair enough, what logic are Leafs fans using to rationalise a Lafreniere lottery win not negatively affecting parity?


    Leafs got screwed when the salary cap was introduced. I couldn't care less about parity, I want my team to win. Simple as that. Leafs win, HRR goes up, teams get more money, salary cap goes up. Whats good for the Leafs is good for the league. They already keep half the small market teams in the league afloat with equalization payments.
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    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:25 a.m.
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    Quoting: Seider53
    Oh it's not Leafs specific. But obviously my perspective is not of a team in line for the 1st pick. I'm curious as to how those teams' fans are feeling about this system.


    oh ok, sorry i misunderstood. As a Leaf fan, I'm not a fan of the lottery system in general. Never have been. The thinking behind it makes sense, but we've seen enough of it now to know it doesn't always help the teams that truly need it.
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:27 a.m.
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    No thanks.
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:27 a.m.
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    oh ok, sorry i misunderstood. As a Leaf fan, I'm not a fan of the lottery system in general. Never have been. The thinking behind it makes sense, but we've seen enough of it now to know it doesn't always help the teams that truly need it.


    I completely understand that if the Leafs win the lottery you would be ecstatic, as well you should. Lafreniere projects to be great. Would you feel that that would be a fair result, or would there be almost an element of guilt there?
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:28 a.m.
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    Leafs got screwed when the salary cap was introduced. I couldn't care less about parity, I want my team to win. Simple as that. Leafs win, HRR goes up, teams get more money, salary cap goes up. Whats good for the Leafs is good for the league. They already keep half the small market teams in the league afloat with equalization payments.


    Interesting, do you feel an increase in league revenue should be the aim, or is that a happy coincidence to the Leafs winning in your eyes?
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:31 a.m.
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    I completely understand that if the Leafs win the lottery you would be ecstatic, as well you should. Lafreniere projects to be great. Would you feel that that would be a fair result, or would there be almost an element of guilt there?


    No guilt at all. Why would I feel guilt because I benefited from a system that I didn't create or manipulate? This is the same system that preaches parity and takes form the big market teams to hand out to the small market teams. I'm not saying any of this is fair, but it is the system we are in. Love it or hate it, you cannot change the outcome. Guilt doesn't play into it.
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:32 a.m.
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    Quoting: Seider53
    No, not entirely contracts have been bizarre over the last couple of years, and while the Leaf's recent signings havn't performed to their value other teams have similar mistakes on their roster.
    It would lessen the argument that over-high contracts have a negative impact on the team overall, as Lafreniere projects to be elite and would allow the Leafs to really move out of a sticky situation.


    My take on the matter. Contracts are for the regular season. Players do not get paid for the playoffs..., it shows on the leafs bench...
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:34 a.m.
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    Interesting, do you feel an increase in league revenue should be the aim, or is that a happy coincidence to the Leafs winning in your eyes?


    At the end of the day, this is that would be the product of parity in the leagues setup. Do you believe the NHL can only achieve parity by having small/lower reveue market teams succeed? Just trying to gauge where you draw the line when it comes to league parity?.
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:35 a.m.
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    No guilt at all. Why would I feel guilt because I benefited from a system that I didn't create or manipulate? This is the same system that preaches parity and takes form the big market teams to hand out to the small market teams. I'm not saying any of this is fair, but it is the system we are in. Love it or hate it, you cannot change the outcome. Guilt doesn't play into it.


    Understandable and interesting to know. Thank you
    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:38 a.m.
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    Quoting: tony135420
    At the end of the day, this is that would be the product of parity in the leagues setup. Do you believe the NHL can only achieve parity by having small/lower reveue market teams succeed? Just trying to gauge where you draw the line when it comes to league parity?.


    I'm not entirely sure how I would fix the system tbh. I am from the UK, so our major sports leagues, football for example don't buy into the idea of parity being important, theres no salary cap and the rich teams frequently win.
    I'm interested because the ideas of a draft and maintaining parity seem very important to NA sports, but no league seems to have a system that achieves this well. As a Detroit fan this obviously stings because we were the worst team in the salary cap era, and ended up in that place as a result of building a team as the NHL would want, trying to make the playoffs even when it was not in the best interest of the team long term.
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    Aug. 10, 2020 at 10:39 a.m.
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    My take on the matter. Contracts are for the regular season. Players do not get paid for the playoffs..., it shows on the leafs bench...


    It's hard to know whether it is a lack of effort, but teams built by committee rather than on the backs of a few incredible players seem to run deeper in the playoffs with more regularity.
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    Aug. 10, 2020 at 11:31 a.m.
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    My take on the matter. Contracts are for the regular season. Players do not get paid for the playoffs..., it shows on the leafs bench...


    I agree with this. Yes, your playoff roster can only be made up of players on your regular season roster up to the trade deadline which has to adhere to the cap rules. So, making prudent signings is that much more important. However, the Leafs situation has nothing to do with who they paid how much, to me it's more of a overall personnel/philosophy issue. I like Dubas, but I think his team vision has got to evolve. He's tried loading up on skill, that isn't working. He needs to evolve his thinking on how this team is built or it could be his downfall.

    On the subject of parity and cap structure, I'd be interested to see if the league had looked into changing the cap structure to be more fair for higher taxed cities. Such as, basing the cap hit of the salary on the players take home salary and subtracting the taxes. To me this would put all parties on an even playing field when it comes to negotiating contracts.
     
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