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Habs sell their their heart and soul for Lafreniere

Created by: Blazingbat11
Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 10, 2020
Published: Aug. 11, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
I wouldn't do this if I were the Habs, but looking at the roster, I'm surprised that MTL would still be pretty deep at wing despite moving Gally, Drouin, and Domi (I know he's a C).
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$950,000
6$7,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,000,000
1$1,250,000
2$3,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Lafreniere, Alexis
3$925,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Smith, Brendan
  2. 2020 1st round pick (NYR)
Additional Details:
Habs draft 1st overall and select Alexis Lafreniere.
NYR
  1. Caufield, Cole [Reserve List]
  2. Gallagher, Brendan
  3. 2021 1st round pick (MTL)
  4. 2022 1st round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
Gallagher signs an extension 6 year extension at $6.5mil aav.
MTL keep their picks in 2020.
The 2021 1st rd pick has NO protection.
The 2022 1st rd pick has Top 3 protection.
2.
EDM
  1. Drouin, Jonathan
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (CHI)
3.
MTL
  1. Mantha, Anthony [RFA Rights]
DET
  1. Brook, Josh
  2. Domi, Max [RFA Rights]
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (STL)
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (MTL)
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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Logo of the WPG
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the FLA
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the CHI
Logo of the OTT
2021
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the CHI
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the STL
Logo of the VGK
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the MTL
2022
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$76,144,642$0$4,007,500$5,355,358
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Lafreniere, Alexis
$925,000$925,000
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C
UFA - 2
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,800,000$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 1
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,083,333$3,083,333
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,400,000$2,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,600,000$2,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$1,250,000$1,250,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$5,600,000$5,600,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,750,000$1,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 6
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$950,000$950,000
RD
UFA - 1
$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,400,000$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$771,666$771,666 (Performance Bonus$20,000$20K)
RD
RFA - 1

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Aug. 11, 2020 at 12:16 a.m.
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Interesting
Very unrealistic
But the trades looks alright
Aug. 11, 2020 at 12:19 a.m.
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Nope.
Aug. 11, 2020 at 12:20 a.m.
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Detroit isn't doing that.
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Aug. 11, 2020 at 12:22 a.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
Nope.


We know how you feel.... you wouldn't even trade Lafreniere for McDavid...we get it...
Aug. 11, 2020 at 12:25 a.m.
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Quoting: aedoran
Detroit isn't doing that.


I presented a lot of data a while back showing Domi and Mantha are actually incredibly similar. Then tried to do just a 1for1. It did not go well lol

Now I'm upping the ante, and still no luck? I get the feeling no matter what Habs offer, Wings fans are just going to say no lol So honest question, what would it take?
Aug. 11, 2020 at 12:29 a.m.
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
We know how you feel.... you wouldn't even trade Lafreniere for McDavid...we get it...


So why do we keep meeting at these proposals?
Aug. 11, 2020 at 12:37 a.m.
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
I presented a lot of data a while back showing Domi and Mantha are actually incredibly similar. Then tried to do just a 1for1. It did not go well lol

Now I'm upping the ante, and still no luck? I get the feeling no matter what Habs offer, Wings fans are just going to say no lol So honest question, what would it take?


Mantha is Detroit's most talented player and they have no plans to trade him. So if you want to get him its going to be very expensive. Go back through the Montreal trades proposed by Montreal fans I bet more than 85% have Domi being traded then take a look of Detroit trades done by Detroit fans Mantha might be in 10 of them.
Aug. 11, 2020 at 12:51 a.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
So why do we keep meeting at these proposals?


Because this is a site that allows the general public to create these kind of hypothetical situations lol So better get used to seeing them, you'll be seeing these all the way until October.
Aug. 11, 2020 at 1:00 a.m.
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Quoting: aedoran
Mantha is Detroit's most talented player and they have no plans to trade him. So if you want to get him its going to be very expensive. Go back through the Montreal trades proposed by Montreal fans I bet more than 85% have Domi being traded then take a look of Detroit trades done by Detroit fans Mantha might be in 10 of them.


Absolutely. Domi seems headstrong on just wanting to play C, which is fair because he's better at Center than on Wing, but the organization has made up their mind that he isn't above Suzuki, KK, and Danault. So seeing Domi in trades on here only makes sense, that doesn't mean Domi's value has fallen off a cliff though. Think back to when Pacioretty was on the trade block, there was probably, and annoyingly to every fan base, over 50 Pacioretty deals on here every day. and I distinctly remember many people saying Patches wouldn't get a good return because everyone knew he was going to be traded.... well look what he ended up getting (Suzuki, Tatar, and a 2nd). Now I'm not saying Domi is near that value, but just because you see him in almost every Habs trade, doesn't mean his value has tanked.

Going back to the initial question though. Apart from saying Mantha will be expensive, what kind of return would DET be looking for if he were to be moved?
Aug. 11, 2020 at 1:05 a.m.
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
Because this is a site that allows the general public to create these kind of hypothetical situations lol So better get used to seeing them, you'll be seeing these all the way until October.


Unfortunate truth.
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Aug. 11, 2020 at 1:05 a.m.
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The trade will never happen but if it were to get discussed suzuki would be coming back the other way
Aug. 11, 2020 at 1:11 a.m.
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Quoting: Nikolay_Zherdev
The trade will never happen but if it were to get discussed suzuki would be coming back the other way


So as long as we both agree this will never happen lol If Habs counter with Kotkaniemi instead of Suzuki, would they bite? KK has higher potential, but Suzuki is the safer bet as a top line C. Both are incredibly close though.
Aug. 11, 2020 at 1:16 a.m.
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nice try, enjoy getting your asses kicked by philly
Aug. 11, 2020 at 1:26 a.m.
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Quoting: Shesterkin_next_GOAT
nice try, enjoy getting your asses kicked by philly


While I definitely think Habs lose to Philly. I think Price steals 2-3 games. What the PIT series showed us is that a rested Price, brings a 2015 quality Price. For how long, who knows.

Philly in 6 or 7.
Aug. 11, 2020 at 6:11 a.m.
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Absolutely. Domi seems headstrong on just wanting to play C, which is fair because he's better at Center than on Wing, but the organization has made up their mind that he isn't above Suzuki, KK, and Danault. So seeing Domi in trades on here only makes sense, that doesn't mean Domi's value has fallen off a cliff though. Think back to when Pacioretty was on the trade block, there was probably, and annoyingly to every fan base, over 50 Pacioretty deals on here every day. and I distinctly remember many people saying Patches wouldn't get a good return because everyone knew he was going to be traded.... well look what he ended up getting (Suzuki, Tatar, and a 2nd). Now I'm not saying Domi is near that value, but just because you see him in almost every Habs trade, doesn't mean his value has tanked.

Going back to the initial question though. Apart from saying Mantha will be expensive, what kind of return would DET be looking for if he were to be moved?


So your key piece in return for Mantha is a player that has the potential to be as talented, if not more-so. From the Habs that's likely Caufield. If we assume that OP's trades execute, it has to start with Montreal's 1st, which holds less value. We would need a stop-gap roster player, Byron is probably the best option, but from a value perspective he does very little. That is the foundation. From there we need to adjust value. Caufield/1st aren't a sure thing, while Mantha is, so we would need another prospect with some potential.
If Caufield, add a slightly lower tier prospect like Cayden Primeau and a mid pick (2nd or 3rd) or two to meet value.
If its the 1st, you're probably looking at a player further forward in their development curve like Kotkaniemi with again a mid round pick or two.
Is this value fair for Montreal, no? Of course not, its an overpayment. But thats about what it would need to get the best player on Detroit, with some elite skills, who is still young.
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Aug. 11, 2020 at 7:16 a.m.
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
So as long as we both agree this will never happen lol If Habs counter with Kotkaniemi instead of Suzuki, would they bite? KK has higher potential, but Suzuki is the safer bet as a top line C. Both are incredibly close though.


Not saying KK won’t be good at all and he actually has looked great so far in the playoffs but Suzuki has looked like a stud and a top line player for sure so I feel like that’s be the only way they’d consider anything
Aug. 11, 2020 at 8:15 a.m.
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Any interest in mantha WILL be an overpay based on his 30-40 goal potential & power fwd size...meaning dropping a top end 1st rounder is a starting point..otherwise don't bother at this point
Aug. 11, 2020 at 8:57 a.m.
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Absolutely. Domi seems headstrong on just wanting to play C, which is fair because he's better at Center than on Wing, but the organization has made up their mind that he isn't above Suzuki, KK, and Danault. So seeing Domi in trades on here only makes sense, that doesn't mean Domi's value has fallen off a cliff though. Think back to when Pacioretty was on the trade block, there was probably, and annoyingly to every fan base, over 50 Pacioretty deals on here every day. and I distinctly remember many people saying Patches wouldn't get a good return because everyone knew he was going to be traded.... well look what he ended up getting (Suzuki, Tatar, and a 2nd). Now I'm not saying Domi is near that value, but just because you see him in almost every Habs trade, doesn't mean his value has tanked.

Going back to the initial question though. Apart from saying Mantha will be expensive, what kind of return would DET be looking for if he were to be moved?


Quoting: Seider53
So your key piece in return for Mantha is a player that has the potential to be as talented, if not more-so. From the Habs that's likely Caufield. If we assume that OP's trades execute, it has to start with Montreal's 1st, which holds less value. We would need a stop-gap roster player, Byron is probably the best option, but from a value perspective he does very little. That is the foundation. From there we need to adjust value. Caufield/1st aren't a sure thing, while Mantha is, so we would need another prospect with some potential.
If Caufield, add a slightly lower tier prospect like Cayden Primeau and a mid pick (2nd or 3rd) or two to meet value.
If its the 1st, you're probably looking at a player further forward in their development curve like Kotkaniemi with again a mid round pick or two.
Is this value fair for Montreal, no? Of course not, its an overpayment. But thats about what it would need to get the best player on Detroit, with some elite skills, who is still young.


I would say Romanov and Primeau but like Seider53 said Caufield and Primeau would work.

Before any one says that isn't fair or even I'm going say you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT but just about every Habs fan wants Domi out of Montreal and I don't know any Detroit fans that want Mantha out of Detroit. We are happy with Mantha and from what he has said he wants to stay in Detroit. Is that what you are looking for?
 
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