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This Should be the Target

Created by: Terry_AkiSauce
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 11, 2020
Published: Aug. 11, 2020
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I think Myers is a great guy that doesn't have heaps of value at the moment but will likely progress into a really good defenseman. Leafs need to take more risks on players like this where the value is good now but it may look like a steal in a few years.

Philly fans - whats the trade look like with Myers and Kap being the main pieces. If you dont think its there and Nylander is the main piece, who else are you going to add?
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  1. Myers, Philippe [RFA Rights]
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  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
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Aug. 11, 2020 at 2:03 a.m.
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Replacement D like Dermott and maybe a pick.
Aug. 11, 2020 at 2:13 a.m.
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Not sure I agree Myers is the target.

I love the potential, don't get me wrong, but this is still going to be a young Leafs blueline. Muzzin is the only true vet in the group. We can argue if you want to include Reilly.

Point is, as much as Myers could make sense long term, the Leafs window is now - and that means dealing for someone with way more experience.

Now who that maybe, and if there is a fit is another question..... but suddenly moving AJ to move room for maybe a Tanev starts to make sense. Or Gudas. Or Hamonic.

But in a deal? I 100% would be calling Bowman about Murphy. Maybe a new GM in Florida can be fleeced for Weeger. Maybe Hjarmalsson or Demers can be a one year stop gap.

Myers isn't the option imo. Just too young for this group.
Aug. 11, 2020 at 2:17 a.m.
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RHD David Savard would be a good fit imo.

The cost or if CBJ entertains a trade idk but kick tires.
Aug. 11, 2020 at 2:18 a.m.
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Quoting: swinny
Not sure I agree Myers is the target.

I love the potential, don't get me wrong, but this is still going to be a young Leafs blueline. Muzzin is the only true vet in the group. We can argue if you want to include Reilly.

Point is, as much as Myers could make sense long term, the Leafs window is now - and that means dealing for someone with way more experience.

Now who that maybe, and if there is a fit is another question..... but suddenly moving AJ to move room for maybe a Tanev starts to make sense. Or Gudas. Or Hamonic.

But in a deal? I 100% would be calling Bowman about Murphy. Maybe a new GM in Florida can be fleeced for Weeger. Maybe Hjarmalsson or Demers can be a one year stop gap.

Myers isn't the option imo. Just too young for this group.


Disagree completely, last I checked our core 3 players have only been in the league for 4 years. Leafs are a young team and should stay young. I wouldn't hate seeing both Johnsson and Kap gone if that means we could get a guy like Demelo in FA and allow Myers to play with Muzzin (which in my mind would be an ideal pairing)
Aug. 11, 2020 at 2:18 a.m.
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RHD David Savard would be a good fit imo.

The cost or if CBJ entertains a trade idk but kick tires.


think thatd be a tdl deal if anything
Aug. 11, 2020 at 3:41 a.m.
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Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
Disagree completely, last I checked our core 3 players have only been in the league for 4 years. Leafs are a young team and should stay young. I wouldn't hate seeing both Johnsson and Kap gone if that means we could get a guy like Demelo in FA and allow Myers to play with Muzzin (which in my mind would be an ideal pairing)


Now if an additional aquisition was made, Myers makes sense. However, your post left me with the impression he was "the answer".

For the record, I believe only one of AJ or Kappy needs to he moved, but that is a moot point.
Aug. 11, 2020 at 6:54 a.m.
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A 2nd pairing RHD who has size, puck skills, and great skating ability doesn’t have value? That’s just bad scouting. I know he was undrafted, but Myers is all but untouchable given his ability and organizational depth.

PS we have no need for another winger.
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Aug. 11, 2020 at 7:27 a.m.
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A 2nd pairing RHD who has size, puck skills, and great skating ability doesn’t have value? That’s just bad scouting. I know he was undrafted, but Myers is all but untouchable given his ability and organizational depth.

PS we have no need for another winger.


Where did I say he has no value and according to other Flyers fans you lack depth at RW and the Leafs are probably the deepest team in the NHL at RW so there's probably a deal to be made
Aug. 11, 2020 at 7:56 a.m.
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Where did I say he has no value and according to other Flyers fans you lack depth at RW and the Leafs are probably the deepest team in the NHL at RW so there's probably a deal to be made


From the team explanation "I think Myers is a great guy that doesn't have heaps of value at the moment " and I disagree with that.

Further, we could possibly use an inexpensive 3RW - IF the Flyers ship out another winger. Right now our top 9 wingers are G, Lindblom, JVR, Voracek, Konecny, and Farabee. That doesn't include Laughton, who has been very effective on the second line recently. So yeah, you may be deep at RW, but we aren't really hurting either. We need a RHD, a backup goalie and a 3C if Laughton stays on the wing. None of those holes will be filled by getting rid of Myers.
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Aug. 11, 2020 at 8:05 a.m.
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Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
Where did I say he has no value and according to other Flyers fans you lack depth at RW and the Leafs are probably the deepest team in the NHL at RW so there's probably a deal to be made


Konecny and Voracek are good line 1 and 2 right wingers. I wouldn't give up our only young right handed defenseman for Kapanen to go on our third line. NAK and Pitlick already work well a line 3 and 4 right wingers. Myers is just not for sale anyways. Flyers plan to keep him long term, as he seems to be an established top-4 defenseman that can be a good fit for the team.
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Aug. 11, 2020 at 8:19 a.m.
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Konecny and Voracek are good line 1 and 2 right wingers. I wouldn't give up our only young right handed defenseman for Kapanen to go on our third line. NAK and Pitlick already work well a line 3 and 4 right wingers. Myers is just not for sale anyways. Flyers plan to keep him long term, as he seems to be an established top-4 defenseman that can be a good fit for the team.


Was just speaking on what I've seen other Flyers fans say on this site
Aug. 11, 2020 at 8:20 a.m.
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From the team explanation "I think Myers is a great guy that doesn't have heaps of value at the moment " and I disagree with that.

Further, we could possibly use an inexpensive 3RW - IF the Flyers ship out another winger. Right now our top 9 wingers are G, Lindblom, JVR, Voracek, Konecny, and Farabee. That doesn't include Laughton, who has been very effective on the second line recently. So yeah, you may be deep at RW, but we aren't really hurting either. We need a RHD, a backup goalie and a 3C if Laughton stays on the wing. None of those holes will be filled by getting rid of Myers.


Do you know what the word heaps means? Its means a lot in case you dont, players like Coots, Provorov, Giroux on the Flyers for example.
Aug. 11, 2020 at 8:36 a.m.
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Do you know what the word heaps means? Its means a lot in case you dont, players like Coots, Provorov, Giroux on the Flyers for example.


If we are arguing semantics, that is fine. I will concede and modify my first claim.
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A 2nd pairing RHD who has size, puck skills, and great skating ability doesn’t have heaps of value? That’s just bad scouting. I know he was undrafted, but Myers is all but untouchable given his ability and organizational depth.

PS we have no need for another winger.


I think we both understand that the point of my objection is that the trade doesn't work for the Flyers. We value Myers significantly. If Coots, Provorov, Giroux, and Hart are the untouchables, then Sanheim and Myers are in the next tier - you can have them, but your fan-base is going to rebel at the cost.
Aug. 11, 2020 at 8:37 a.m.
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If we are arguing semantics, that is fine. I will concede and modify my first claim.
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I think we both understand that the point of my objection is that the trade doesn't work for the Flyers. We value Myers significantly. If Coots, Provorov, Giroux, and Hart are the untouchables, then Sanheim and Myers are in the next tier - you can have them, but your fan-base is going to rebel at the cost.


Which is why I literally included in the description that Nylander could also be moved for Myers but Flyers would have to add something and asked who or what that would be
Aug. 11, 2020 at 8:52 a.m.
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Which is why I literally included in the description that Nylander could also be moved for Myers but Flyers would have to add something and asked who or what that would be


To my point, Myers for Nylander... I'd add a B-prospect (akin to Rubstov or Ratcliffe) or a pick (2nd round maybe). And both Leafs fans and Flyers fans would hate that trade. It is just not a fit. We have one (1) RHD under team control after next season. His name is Phil Myers. We aren't interested in moving him.

It is comparable to you trading Reilly to us for one of our wingers. It makes no sense because you need that player at that position (losing him leaves a huge hole to fill in the lineup) and your organization is top heavy at forward.
Aug. 11, 2020 at 8:55 a.m.
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I also want to take a moment to appreciate your username. I appreciate a good chuckle in the mornings.
 
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