I’d take the drake back

I don’t think Buffalo makes that trade unless Reinhart won’t sign.

Why in the world would Chicago trade Debrincat period. And then honestly any of those guys to get an older, less-skilled player and an undeveloped pick

Reinhardt I think would develop further in Chicago vs. Buffalo as Buffalo historically hasn't been great developing players. I think he'd could be wash in the end with Cat, but obviously Cat is the better player now. The #8 pick, assuming guys like Rossi, Perfetti or Lundell, I'd all rather have over Strome as a future top 6 center in Chicago. Right now, Strome is playing 3C and he should be developing as a 2C, but with Toews and Dach for the next couple years, until Toews regresses enough for a 3C role, Strome will not be higher then 3C. That allows Rossi, Perfetti, or Lundell a perfect opportunity to develop.

The easiest of no's from buffalo.

Come. On.

Sam Reinhart is :: checks notes :: 24 years old.

He also has developed just fine.

Be that as it may, Debrincat is 2 years younger and has established himself as a 40 goal, point per game threat (despie a down year this year) and he likely has more room to grow than Reinhart. They have similar floors (20g, 50p) but Reinhart's career high in goals through 5 full seasons is 25. Debrincat has beat that twice already. I'd much rather have Debrincat

See the debate, must be a decent trade proposal. Buffalo fans say no, which is crazy as Strome and Cat are huge pickups and Chicago fans will say no because they don't want to let that duo with chemistry together go.

Cat is worth the #8 OA and then some. Reinhardt has more value then Strome but not that much more. The two value wise balance one another especially when considering the chemistry of Strome and Cat together. That said, a minor piece could be added for balance like a 4th round pick or so.

Buffalo declines

Highly debatable

Definitely not, what's the point of this deal for Buffalo? Reinhart is our best RW and is consistently gaining 55-65 points. DeBrinkcat is good, but I would not trade him for Reinhart, he had a worse season than Sam. Strome not worth #8 where we can get Raymond, Rossi, Perfetti or Holtz.

Please stop with the KK for Murphy trades

So you're basing this on one season and a 5 point difference at that? Look at the body of work, Reinhardt would struggle to ever surpass 30 goals, and never is going to pass 41 goals and probably struggle to ever pass 76 points either. Not to mention, Cat is 2 years younger. To say you wouldn't trade Reinhardt for Cat puzzles me....Cat is far and away a better player.

Buffalo needs a 2C and that is clear as day. Rossi and Perfetti aren't going be ready for 2C duties for at least 2 years and nobody you draft outside of the top 4 players in the draft our a sure bet whereas with Strome, you know you have a 2C who's only 23 right away.

I mean now that Beaudin is out it's no longer a blatant overpay so it's probably similar in value overall, I just don't see how it really helps either team long term. But it is very difficult for a bad team to justify trading a high pick like 8OA for any reason, especially in a deep draft, so I can see where Buffalo is coming from. This seems like the type of deal Buffalo would do to try and get relevant fast, but it does have the potential to blow up for both sides (basically determined on what 8OA turns into). The most likely case is that 8OA turns into Holtz or Lundell, resulting in a wash if they turn out alright. I just don't know why Chicago would risk the 8OA being a bust, or why Buffalo would give up what I'm sure they see as a potential gamebreaker with that pick. All I know for sure is I'd rather have Debrincat than Reinhart, 22yo 40-goal threats are few and far between, but if this was on the table it sounds like both sides would mutually decline and look elsewhere for improvements.

Reinhart is stable, he has chemistry with our players and has been in the team for a long time, I see no reason to trade him for DeBrincat, although he is a good player, of course he had a 76 points season, and Reinhart had a 65 point season when he was most of time played in a link with Sheary and Mittelstadt, and not with Eichel. Strome is not the 2C we need, doesn't know how to play defensively, doesn't skate too well, isn't a stable player, a new contract will be required.

Therefore, I still do not see the point in this deal. We can take a great prospect and try to trade Montour for Tierney, Faksa, McCann or a similar player who will be more useful to us than Strome because of their style of play, we need a defensive center.

That's fair and can understand the points you're making as there is certainly validity to that. Appreciate the context.

Great perspective and appreciate the thoughtful response. I think you are 100% right when it says, all depends on what the 8OA turns into. That's it right there and it's a gamble for either team as such. If for example, the #8OA is lundell and he never amounts to more then a 3rd line center....which by the way I think is possible with lundell...then then Chicago losses in this trade.

NEVER!

Seriously though, if Mitchell is what he's cracked up to be, then murphy gets moved. Switching Murphy to his off side, although he's done it before, would not be a better move IMO then keeping DeHaan at the 2nd line spot on the left. Murphy on the 3rd line, again if Mitchell is all he's cracked up to be which is not a 3rd liner, is waste of assets.

What's wrong with allowing Mitchell to develop at his own pace. Murphy only have 2 years left and to assume a rookie is going to fill in for Murphy isn't likely IMO. Best case scenario is he gets moved next offseason, BUT I'm not sure I even like that option. Sub $4M for what he provides is freakin amazing.

First, I think Murphy is underpaid by about $500K to $1M so he is valuable in that sense.
Second, if you've looked at my posts a year ago, I was one of the biggest proponents of Murphy, with some of the media (who weren't on board before) and now the fanbase finally catching up, so by no means do I not like Murphy...quite the opposite.
Third, in my description it says the trade with Murphy and Kap only happens after 20+ games into the season and dependent on Mitchell.

Mitchell is a year and half older then Boqvist. He stayed in college obviously to go after a championship, but had he not stayed, last year would be his AHL/NHL development year. I think he will take 20 to 30 games to get caught up to speed of the NHL, but I'm betting he becomes a more consistent player in the NHL then Boqvist is in his first year. If 20+ games in mitchell is as advertised, then Murphy should not be blocking him from playing as murphy is not the long term roster player and Mitchell is. As much as I like murphy, I've accepted that Boqvist and Mitchell will push Murphy either to the offside on the left or out the door and will happen quick.

Now, again given 20+ games in Mitchell is advertised, then I'm neither here nor there on whether to trade De Haan and move muprhy to his offside to pair with Mitchell or keep De Haan and trade murphy.

I'm not saying you dislike Murphy. I just wouldn't do it at all unless we get blown away with an offer after 1 full year of Mitchell playing well. Even Boqvist with a full year under his belt doesn't mean he can carry a Dpairing. Behind the #1C...the RD is the most valuable position. We can...and have...found wingers as UFA that cost nothing to us. Pius Suter for example. He's not on this team at all. Shaw's the #3C. Suter's going to get a TRUE chance to be an NHL player. I'm not saying he's Kubailk with the snipe, but I'm 100% ok with giving him time vs trading for KK.

With that said...I do hope CHI and MIN can work something out. The need a center. I really like the Brodin option or the Greenway + PITs 1st option. Seems like a win/win to me, but what do i know?

***EDIT*** If there's one thing that Bowman does well...is sign euro players and they gosh darn contribute! He's better than anyone else in the entire NHL at that.

Well first of all, Kieth and De Haan (or Murphy on the left) would carry the pairing...the expectations of boqvist and mitchell is neither would "carry" the pairing.

Problem is, there are not top 6 wingers in the UFA besides Hoffman and Hall this year and both will price us out, maybe not Hoffman but age is a factor. The team should be looking to compete as we retool on the fly but doing so while looking forward which means getting younger also. Getting a good top 6 young winger (26 and under) is pretty hard to do without giving up assets.

Suter gets a chance on the 3rd or 4th lines. Realistic expectations for Suter is a bottom 6 player if he works out in the NHL. We MAY and use that term very losely, get surprised and end up with a top 6 winger in Suter but highly unlikely. So that said, can certainly supplement Suter in for Nylander or Highmore, both whom should rotate in and out IMO as I'm not 100% sold on either despite showing some great flashes in their respective roles.

Regarding trading Strome to Minnesota, I agree it makes sense and pairing Brodin with Boqvist (1st line), Keith and mitchell (2nd line), and then 3rd line we are stuck with Murphy, Maatta, De Haan, Koekko and Carlsson...two of those guys need to go. Again, see the problem? That said, Murphy has the most value and can bring us back the best impact player (I wouldn't trade him for picks) and again, I wouldn't let him go until Mitchell has 20 to 30 games and shows us he's a 2nd liner which is what most of the better known writers (The Athletic) are expecting of him going on 22 years old in January (likely the start of the season).

I disagree with everything you say here.

That's okay, feel free, but I suggest you take the time to read the entire thread

First of all I like how you actually take the time to reflect and completely answer every post.
Second, can DeBrincat play RW, since he is right handed shooter?
Buffalo has two LW who have or could score 40 goals, Skinner and Olofsson.
Third, you are correct the choice between DeBrincat and Reinhart is close, the 8th OA is too much for Strome IMO.
Forth, I like the trade as DeBrincat and Strome also played together for the Otter two year with two straight cup finals appearances and winning once.
Fifth, I presume Strome will cost about $6,000,000/yr, what do you think?
Sixth, (please do not let any of the Sabre fans above see this post LOL) I am a Sabre fan and I think I could imagine:
Olofsson Eichel Kahun
Skinner Strome DeBrincat
Johansson Cozens Thompson
I await your thoughtful reply.