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Team: 2020-21 New York Rangers
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 12, 2020
Published: Aug. 12, 2020
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4$2,250,000
4$3,000,000
5$5,500,000
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4$5,500,000
4$2,750,000
2$1,250,000
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Lafreniere, Alexis
3$925,000
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NYR
  1. Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (TOR)
  3. 2021 1st round pick (COL)
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NYR
  1. Faksa, Radek [RFA Rights]
DAL
  1. Strome, Ryan [RFA Rights]
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NYR
  1. 2020 6th round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Lemieux, Brendan [RFA Rights]
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NYR
  1. Fowler, Cam
  2. 2020 5th round pick (ANA)
ANA
  1. Trouba, Jacob
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (DAL)
5.
NYR
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (OTT)
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [RFA Rights]
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 11:49 a.m.
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avs accept that.
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You may get mixed answers on the COL deal but I think they’d accept
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Oilers accept that being said will out of kindness ask if you really wanna be doing that.
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 12:00 p.m.
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Oilers accept that being said will out of kindness ask if you really wanna be doing that.


Gorton said after the lotto win they need grit, Lemieux is the most grit they have. I’d hope that move wouldn’t get made.
Aug. 12, 2020 at 12:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Philu916
Gorton said after the lotto win they need grit, Lemieux is the most grit they have. I’d hope that move wouldn’t get made.


Lemieux is terrible and i'd rather get that "grit" from a center who can also function on the PK
Aug. 12, 2020 at 12:02 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
avs accept that.


Quoting: McRanteskog
You may get mixed answers on the COL deal but I think they’d accept


I definitely see the appeal in this trade but personally Im scared of Kreider's contract becoming an anchor for the Avs in the long term. His style of play (physical player who relies on his speed) is not sustainable long term imo and at age 29 im not sure how many years of 'top 6F' caliber play he has left. If he had less term on his contract or was a little bit younger then maybe I would be on board but this seems too risky when there are other options available for a 2nd line wing spot
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 12:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Philu916
Gorton said after the lotto win they need grit, Lemieux is the most grit they have. I’d hope that move wouldn’t get made.


Ya that’s why I figured I’d ask if sure want to be doing that. Also I know he’s not a big impactful player I honestly don’t watch much of but a 6th... If I was actively trying to get him I’d be starting with a 4th.
Aug. 12, 2020 at 12:05 p.m.
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Want C grit? Perhaps a Lemieux for Jj out of Edmonton. 4th line C excellent on pk
Aug. 12, 2020 at 12:14 p.m.
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I definitely see the appeal in this trade but personally Im scared of Kreider's contract becoming an anchor for the Avs in the long term. His style of play (physical player who relies on his speed) is not sustainable long term imo and at age 29 im not sure how many years of 'top 6F' caliber play he has left. If he had less term on his contract or was a little bit younger then maybe I would be on board but this seems too risky when there are other options available for a 2nd line wing spot


for sure. 7 years is longer than i would have liked but i think it's still doable. there is a long list of physical players that didn't age well mostly due to speed but i'd say even if kreider loses a step he's still pretty fast. he's pretty good at tipping pucks too. worth the risk of jost and a 1st to me.
Aug. 12, 2020 at 12:17 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
for sure. 7 years is longer than i would have liked but i think it's still doable. there is a long list of physical players that didn't age well mostly due to speed but i'd say even if kreider loses a step he's still pretty fast. he's pretty good at tipping pucks too. worth the risk of jost and a 1st to me.


he's statistically been either the best in the league at tipped-puck goals or 2nd best to Pavelski. from what i remember, he's #1 in the league. his speed can also keep up with a guy like MacKinnon should they decide to move him to 1LW
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 12:33 p.m.
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I definitely see the appeal in this trade but personally Im scared of Kreider's contract becoming an anchor for the Avs in the long term. His style of play (physical player who relies on his speed) is not sustainable long term imo and at age 29 im not sure how many years of 'top 6F' caliber play he has left. If he had less term on his contract or was a little bit younger then maybe I would be on board but this seems too risky when there are other options available for a 2nd line wing spot


I see it as 4 years, then his NMC has a M-NTC 15 team list. If you are getting those 4 years during the MacKinnon contract window, that is the focus in a vaccum approach, Hes going to help win in Macks contract window, then you might have an issue if you dont move on from him after year 4...but luckily there is that M-NTC so life wont be that difficult to manage the cap
Aug. 12, 2020 at 12:33 p.m.
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No interest in Howden in this deal. Eitehr swap him out for someone who can chill in the AHL and be waiver exempt not hurting their development or simplify the deal so it doesnt include him
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 12:35 p.m.
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Welcome to CapFriendly! An impressive debut -- maybe the best first (or at least early) effort I've seen.

I would accept that trade as the Anaheim GM. But note that Fowler has a four-team-only trade list.
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 12:38 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Welcome to CapFriendly! An impressive debut -- maybe the best first (or at least early) effort I've seen.

I would accept that trade as the Anaheim GM. But note that Fowler has a four-team-only trade list.


i wonder if nyr would be on it. they never seem to have a problem drawing players and now that they get laf. they look like a dynasty in the making.
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 1:06 p.m.
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No interest in Howden in this deal. Eitehr swap him out for someone who can chill in the AHL and be waiver exempt not hurting their development or simplify the deal so it doesnt include him


Howden is waivers exempt, and a move to the AHL makes the most sense right now
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 1:11 p.m.
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Howden is waivers exempt, and a move to the AHL makes the most sense right now


thats hwy I said someone who is waiver exempt and not hurting their development, sending him back after playing 2 years full time in the NHL does not help their development, he was rushed and 1 year of AHL time on his ELC isnt goign to solve anything. Young player who get demoted to the AHL never pan out to their potential

No interest in him
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 1:15 p.m.
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Lemieux is terrible and i'd rather get that "grit" from a center who can also function on the PK


you state Lemieux is terrible, but your caption is ADA is good - ironic much?
Aug. 12, 2020 at 1:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Mike_Gartner
you state Lemieux is terrible, but your caption is ADA is good - ironic much?


DeAngelo is good. He put up the most points by an NYR dman since Leetch, and he statistically was a top 5 transition defenseman in the NHL this season

in no way are DeAngelo and Lemieux anywhere close to comparable
Aug. 12, 2020 at 1:26 p.m.
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thats hwy I said someone who is waiver exempt and not hurting their development, sending him back after playing 2 years full time in the NHL does not help their development, he was rushed and 1 year of AHL time on his ELC isnt goign to solve anything. Young player who get demoted to the AHL never pan out to their potential

No interest in him


cant be too picky for a 1st and jost
Aug. 12, 2020 at 1:49 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
for sure. 7 years is longer than i would have liked but i think it's still doable. there is a long list of physical players that didn't age well mostly due to speed but i'd say even if kreider loses a step he's still pretty fast. he's pretty good at tipping pucks too. worth the risk of jost and a 1st to me.


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No interest in Howden in this deal. Eitehr swap him out for someone who can chill in the AHL and be waiver exempt not hurting their development or simplify the deal so it doesnt include him


I'm on the fence on this, and I can see valid points from both sides.

Kreider is a good player and would fit nicely on this team. However his contract could easily age poorly and we could be stuck with him on a full NMC in 2023 when Mackinnon, Byram, Kaut, and possibly Newhook need new contracts.

I also feel like Jost + 1st is a high price to pay in this flat-cap market when there will undoubtedly be some great deals to be had via trade or free agency. Kreider also has a full NMC and can veto trades to non-contenders so I think we'd have a pretty strong bargaining position if NYR wanted to move him. Sakic had the opportunity to acquire him at the deadline for Jost + 1st but passed on it, and I think his value has decreased since then due to the contract/NMC and flat cap.

As for Howden, I couldn't have any less interest in him. He has literally THE worst CF% and FF% in the entire league among forwards with 60+ games. He does nothing for us. I'd rather you just remove him entirely and drop the 3rd round pick. If you want to include a prospect then you can include Barron or Robertson instead.
Aug. 12, 2020 at 2:01 p.m.
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I'm on the fence on this, and I can see valid points from both sides.

Kreider is a good player and would fit nicely on this team. However his contract could easily age poorly and we could be stuck with him on a full NMC in 2023 when Mackinnon, Byram, Kaut, and possibly Newhook need new contracts.

I also feel like Jost + 1st is a high price to pay in this flat-cap market when there will undoubtedly be some great deals to be had via trade or free agency. Kreider also has a full NMC and can veto trades to non-contenders so I think we'd have a pretty strong bargaining position if NYR wanted to move him. Sakic had the opportunity to acquire him at the deadline for Jost + 1st but passed on it, and I think his value has decreased since then due to the contract/NMC and flat cap.

As for Howden, I couldn't have any less interest in him. He has literally THE worst CF% and FF% in the entire league among forwards with 60+ games. He does nothing for us. I'd rather you just remove him entirely and drop the 3rd round pick. If you want to include a prospect then you can include Barron or Robertson instead.


I firmly agree Howden is awful, but I also chalk up his play to David Quinn being IMO the worst coach in the NHL. He's shown absolutely no ability to develop young talent and it's why a guy like Kakko was also statistically a cellar dweller with Howden. Every player on the Rangers was below average in xGA/60, including Panarin. It's not a player thing -- it's a product of the non-system system that Quinn rolls out, and whenever asked about why the team isn't good, he just says things like "they didn't have good intentions" and "they didn't play with enough purpose". I'm confident that a team like Colorado would develop Howden into what the Rangers were hoping they would get out of him.
Aug. 12, 2020 at 2:22 p.m.
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I firmly agree Howden is awful, but I also chalk up his play to David Quinn being IMO the worst coach in the NHL. He's shown absolutely no ability to develop young talent and it's why a guy like Kakko was also statistically a cellar dweller with Howden. Every player on the Rangers was below average in xGA/60, including Panarin. It's not a player thing -- it's a product of the non-system system that Quinn rolls out, and whenever asked about why the team isn't good, he just says things like "they didn't have good intentions" and "they didn't play with enough purpose". I'm confident that a team like Colorado would develop Howden into what the Rangers were hoping they would get out of him.


What is it that the Rangers were hoping to get out of him?

Rangers also had Lindy Ruff as assistant coach so I don't really buy the bad coaching thing completely, though it is a valid point to an extent.
Aug. 12, 2020 at 2:27 p.m.
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What is it that the Rangers were hoping to get out of him?

Rangers also had Lindy Ruff as assistant coach so I don't really buy the bad coaching thing completely, though it is a valid point to an extent.


Rangers thought they were getting a reliable eventual two-way 2C with a high floor and an albeit low ceiling. Lindy Ruff isn't a good coach especially when it comes to defense. His time in Dallas vs Dallas now is a pretty good example. He also handled the PK with NYR more than anything really. But my goodness, I welcome you to look into just how bad the Rangers as a team were defensively. 3.23 xGA/60 -- dead last in the NHL, no other team was above 3, not even the Red Wings. It's all coaching, but the team is chalking it up to the kids being young/getting their feet wet. Rebuild or not, the Rangers have too many good players to be just that bad as a team when it comes to possession, expected goals, and defense. Look at all the guys that have left the Rangers: Ryan Graves, Shattenkirk, Pionk, Skjei -- all have been better since leaving. Not a coincidence
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Aug. 12, 2020 at 2:52 p.m.
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Rangers thought they were getting a reliable eventual two-way 2C with a high floor and an albeit low ceiling. Lindy Ruff isn't a good coach especially when it comes to defense. His time in Dallas vs Dallas now is a pretty good example. He also handled the PK with NYR more than anything really. But my goodness, I welcome you to look into just how bad the Rangers as a team were defensively. 3.23 xGA/60 -- dead last in the NHL, no other team was above 3, not even the Red Wings. It's all coaching, but the team is chalking it up to the kids being young/getting their feet wet. Rebuild or not, the Rangers have too many good players to be just that bad as a team when it comes to possession, expected goals, and defense. Look at all the guys that have left the Rangers: Ryan Graves, Shattenkirk, Pionk, Skjei -- all have been better since leaving. Not a coincidence


Yeah 3.23 GA/60 is pretty brutal and can be in part attributed to coaching. But when you have a LHD group of Lindgren, Hajek, Staal, Smith, and Rykov, along with some offensive Dmen who aren't so good defensively (DeAngelo, Fox) you're gonna struggle. Especially with a lack of good two-way C's on the roster.
Aug. 12, 2020 at 3:11 p.m.
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Yeah 3.23 GA/60 is pretty brutal and can be in part attributed to coaching. But when you have a LHD group of Lindgren, Hajek, Staal, Smith, and Rykov, along with some offensive Dmen who aren't so good defensively (DeAngelo, Fox) you're gonna struggle. Especially with a lack of good two-way C's on the roster.


It was Skjei/Lindgren/Staal until the deadline, then Smith/Lindgren/Staal. Hajek didn't play much, and Rykov didn't play at all. Fox was NYR's best defensive defenseman and DeAngelo was underrated. Chytil is also underrated defensively but wasn't trusted by DQ. DQ used guys like Ryan Strome and Brett Howden as the "reliable defensive forwards", and not because it's all we had, but because he truly believes they're good two-way players. Watching those 2, Staal and Lindgren killing penalties was dumb. It was fair to expect them to be bad, since it's a rebuilding year, but 3.23 xGA/60 is i believe the highest in the history of modern stats
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