Frankie isnt a starter, why are you hawk fans posting this same trade idea now

I didn't comment on the first one because it was obviously a troll job. Why am I seeing it again?

Francouz could be a better starter than Crawford on the evidence of Chicago's last 4 games.

Avs have no reason to trade for Strome though, and Francouz at $2m as a 1B for the next two seasons is great value.

its just a bizarre weird copy and past trade today.
Sure Frankie could be better than Crow, but he also could be the right insurance policy for Grubauer next season, so it makes 0 sense.

@coga, frankie could be a starter though. At this point the Hawks need a mini rebuild and taking a goalie who's proved their value as a reliable 1B could allow for a good starting role - if it doesn't work, there are plenty of .905 to .910 goalies available to pickup or trade for throughout the season. I say take a chance.

Why is is a troll job? What's wrong with this? The Hawks take on a 1b goalie as their 1 who's been great in an only ok defensive system. You're acting like Raanta, Grubauer, etc. weren't backups. The rest of the trades for the forward core offer a compelling roster. It also gives the Avs a desperately needed continued depth in their forward core and secondary scoring.

Hence why giving up Strome who's desperately needed secondary scoring is a reason for them to drop their 1B.

You are literally trading a 23 year old 50-60 point center for a 30 year old backup goaltender that has benefited from a deep Colorado team. I could not think of a more shortsighted boneheaded move if I tried.



He's not been great for us but he's had to deal with a lot of things recently. Had no conditioning/training camp prior to the EDM series. I also would find it hard to believe many goalies could have stopped what he faced in the EDM series.

and why are the avs helping out the hawks here?
2 way street...avs biggest question mark is their goalie position, they arent weakening that and taking on forwards they dont have any room for already int he top 9

Hawks dont get cute here, just draft the goalie Yaroslav Askarov and move on.

Just want to add that scratching Nylander and Signing Chucky is really funny because Nylander scored more points and will cost much less.

Not saying he's necessarily going to be better than Crawford, but realistically the Hawks cannot afford Crawford and continue to ice a competitive roster or keep Strome. Someone has to go regardless and you're not getting around that. Francouz had a very high GSAA meaning he despite the avalanche's D not being able to collapse down and stifle the puck as much Francouz over performed. He's not a long term solution, but he's cheap and can help us until we can ice a new goalie. There's no way you can sign Strome and Kubalik. I'd pick Kubalik, and I'd rather get something for Strome, instead of just letting him go. You could ask to get Compher too, but the issue is that this is a no brainer for the avs that help keep them, and the hawks competitive.

Well this is just dumb. Chucky played almost 10 games less than Nylander, put up 2 less points, and was in a new system. Given the chance in a consistent system Chucky looks to be a 30-45 point guy, which is further than I see a guy like Nylander going.

If the Hawks can draft Askarov then sure - but realistically that's not going to happen. People were arguing him top 5 earlier this year. The best the Hawks are going to finish is 16th if eliminated this round. I can't imagine him still being available.

hes not top 5, he is mid 1st round now, his stock has dropped and he is right in the Hawks range. Teams right before you will be the Canes, Panthers, Oilers, and Pens, dont see any of them prioritizing a goalie over guys who can help their team now

How does askarov help the Blackhawks? By the time he develops into a starter, the championship window is closed. This year, Francouz split almost dead even with grubauer and put up .923 sv%. At his contract and the hawks cap crunch, that’s a lot more valuable and worthwhile than keeping Strome. At this point, strome is third line center behind Toews and Dach. He is not suited for a third line role, so why spend $4 million per year on that. On the avs, strome can push Kadri down to the third line, a role that he played on the maple leafs. Seems like a trade that works for both teams. Let’s not act like nylander shouldn’t be a scratch, there’s a reason that when Kane double shifts he is taking Nylander’s spot. Give me galchenyuk, who may be inconsistent, but can actually contribute to a playoff team.

What is dumb is that you think he is going to sign for 2million dollars, that we somehow have to lose one of Strome or Kubalik, think we should trade a young top 6 center for a goalie over the age of 30, and best of all that you think the roster you have created is somehow competitive.

Nylander is much younger, better, and cheaper than Chucky for next season. If he weren't playing below 4th line minutes, and with skilled players, he would have undoubtedly produced much more than he did.
In the 10 more games that Nylander played he had only 60 mins more time on ice.

I could definitely see the Canes or Sharks or Sabres or Oilers looking for a long term goalie in 3 to 4 years when he's ready. If we get him we trade strome for something else - if not I think this is a great temporary move - plus we still need a goalie short term

sharks dont have a pick until the 20s....Oilers and Sabres need to add players who can make impacts now to keep Eichel and McDavid happy, they cant afford to wait 3-4 years with tier superstars. Only team that that could snag him up before the Hawks is the Canes.

there is a very good chance he will be at the hawks pick. Unless Oilers do Oilers thing and do bone head picks again, you shuold have the ability to draft him

Good point about SJS you're right about that. Being said I think a competent franchise goalie might be something McDavid and Eichel want as both have weak ass backends. Canes for sure though because they just have a loaded roster.

ct
Sabres are too high up in teh draft, there is way to much high end talent at 8 like Holtz and Perfetti to select from....they go forward for McDavid. Oilers are a wild card but they cant afford to wait on a goalie. Not when it was speculated he gave the Oilers 2 years last offseason to figure this out.....1 year down, 1 more to go

How do you see us signing Strome and Kubalik next year and not vacating the roster? As far as Chucky, yes because he's #1 getting older, and #2 hasn't produced as well as before. Giving him an offensive system like the Hawks and allowing him to stick around for 2 years might give him the kick in the ass he needs. 2m for his production and potential is definitely fair. This roster is just as competitive as this years. Shaw barely played, Zack Smith is an overpaid wash, Maata is slow and looked lost the entire year, and Strome had a hard time finding his game without stars around him. Being said we cannot afford to keep him and Kubalik so YMYM.

Nylander also got moved up to the top line with Toews plenty this year. He blew it every opportunity.

You can look at countless ACGM that have signed both Kubs and Strome if you want some idea. It's not even remotely hard to accomplish.

Actually he didn't blow any opportunities with Toews, they play completely different games and therefore aren't good linemates.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=CHI&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2019-10-02&td=2020-04-04&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8479423&p2=0&p3=8473604&p4=0&p5=0

Nylander proved he could stick in the NHL this year, and Is only going to get better as time goes on. I know you don't have any concept of time, as displayed by your trade idea and FA signings, but good young players are better than Okay veterans.

Actually he didn't blow any opportunities with Toews, they play completely different games and therefore aren't good linemates.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=CHI&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2019-10-02&td=2020-04-04&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8479423&p2=0&p3=8473604&p4=0&p5=0

Nylander proved he could stick in the NHL this year, and Is only going to get better as time goes on. I know you don't have any concept of time, as displayed by your trade idea and FA signings, but good young players are better than Okay veterans.[/quote]


Nylander did not show himself to be anything more than a below average scoring winger in the nhl. The kid takes up ice and that’s it. You could put a run of the mill ahler in there, and he’d produce as much as nylander.

So Nylander played ****ty with and without Toews and brought all of Toews' stats down? Sounds like a great reason why Nylander is just such a great player instead of a guy who made it to the NHL due to his last name.

I have also not seen a single thread signing Kubalik at 5m+, and Strome at 3.75m+ that can keep them both, please link to one that doesn't destroy the D. I looked through the whole first page.