#Keller4Cat

Honestly think that’s a closer 1 for 1 than Ehlers 4 Cat. Much less Strome. But what do I know?

WOW, you think Keller is more valuable then Ehlers?

I think they are comparable. Keller has more upside.

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No Ehlers is much better. That above trade is pretty fair value wise I think

I don't know about much better, but Ehlers is marginally better. Thanks, I think it slightly favors the Jets but since I'm from Chicago trying to be conservative.

Who do you think is more valuable, Clayton Keller or Ehlers?

All I ask is that you imagine what Keller could do on a team that can A. Score Goals and B. Not suck year after year.

Average goals scored per game:
Arizona 2.71 (ranked 23)
Chicago 2.91 (ranked 18)

Goals For:
Arizona 190 (ranked 22)
Chicago 208 (ranked 19)

You're splitting hairs here.

Ehlers. At least as of this moment. Keller may have a higher ceiling but I'm a bit skeptical if he will reach it. Watching Ehlers play you see him control the ice shift-in and shift-out. He looks like a discount McDavid with the way he enters the O-zone and uses his speed. His advanced stats are among the best in the league too, he is very comparable with Taylor Hall

Yeah, but Ehlers is debatably the best forward on the team, and almost certainly the most valuable when you factor in age and contract (and importance to the team, him and Copp are the only 2 forwards that are good defensively and aren't complete black holes offensively) and i may be completely off here bc i don't know what CHI's lines are, but Strome really hasn't had much success away from Debrincat since their Erie days (and I wouldn't want to have to pay Debrincat with Strome on the second line to make him look good if Debrincat is really good with Scheif or whatever on line 1)

If this trade happened and Debrincat ended up with Scheifele I bet the 2nd line would fall to **** without Ehlers to carry it.

Didn’t say it needed to be chicago. My point is that he would be a superstar if he were in a better position.

Same could be said for Cat or Ehlers. Jets were only 1 notch ahead of Chicago for goals scored per game. My point is, you can say that about a lot of players. Not saying Keller doesn't have upside but Ehlers is far from done and of course Cat at 22 isn't done. I think you have to at a certain point just like one guy's game over the other. IMO, Ehlers is the guy I would want out of the 3 should I have the choice.

You would want both of them to play on the 2nd line, that's kind of the point of the trade. A top 6 of Wheeler, Laine, Scheifele, Connor, Strome and Cat is pretty damn good

Yup

He is one of the best playdrivers in the NHL, hes elite at shot suppression. And hes a top 10 player in transition. He might not get the points or goals, but hes really good at everything else

Those are fair points you're making. However, at the end of the day he also needs to put up goals and assists if he is considered so much better then Cat. I agree, he is marginally better, which is why Strome is in the trade for only a 2nd back. A top 6 of Wheeler, Laine, Scheifele, Connor, Strome and Cat is a dangerous group and I believe better then the top 6 they had on the ice this year even with Ehlers

My question exactly. DeBrincat was a 40 goal scorer and is 22. Why are the hawks going to be all over this trade?

I don't like the Ehlers trade from a hawks prospective at all. I'm fine trading one of those guys for him, but not both. If we trade both in the same deal we should be getting someone a lot better back IMO

@exo2769

Guys, Ehlers is not a pure goal scorer, if you are comparing Debrincat to Ehlers purely on points you are missing the point. Ehlers is far more complete player then Debrincat and not just a pure scorer.

We would never get Ehlers 1 for 1 for Debrincat and sure as hell not Strome. Ehlers is a dynamic winger more in the same light as Kane. He transitions the zones, sets up plays, unlike Kane gets back to play defense. Debrincat is none of those things, he's a pure goal scorer and not very good on defense, often times coughs the puck up transitioning and entering the offensive zone, etc. Debrincat is highly valuable because of his ability to put it in the net which is better in that regards then Ehlers, but with Kubalik emerging in that role who's bigger and stronger, I think we can give up Debrincat. I also think what the Hawks lack is another Kane like winger in the top 6 and have for some time. A line of Ehlers - Dach - Kane will be much more productive then Cat - Dach - Kane IMO.

I think Ehlers would be a great add and I know we can't get hi 1 for 1. But I would much rather do Cat and a pick or Strome and a pick for Ehlers than move both in the same deal.

I hear you and would like to see a 1st coming back with the above proposal but jets fans would roast me. I think the value above is close but slanted a little in the Jets favor as such.

I would be in for Ehlers+Roslovic+3rd for Strome+Cat