McCann for Domi is more likely. But the first pick as well is an overpayment. Min trade is blah. I think the Wild like Murray but they will need to do better

Pens can do better for Murray. I like Domi but we need a right shot forward

Pens would probably take it. Rutherford doesn’t draft well anyway.

Hartman, Hunt, 4th for Murray, Simon

Strong no. A 4th liner, #7D and a 4th does not get Murray. Frankly, Take Murray out and it is still only a maybe from the Pens.

The pick is literally the only piece of interest that you mentioned. Domi being far better than Bjugstad and McCann

Even if it's YAY for Pitts. There is no value here for MTL. We are trading Domi because we have too many centers. What is the offer? Bjugstad or McCann.... Make no sense at all.

Can't fathom the Habs even entertaining that.



Yeah possibly, didn't really put too much into the Murray trade. Was focusing on the MTL trade.



Unless Murray is willing to take less than 4M a year on his contract I think you'll be very disappointed in the return for Murray. Murray at 5.5M x 5 years isn't very enticing for anyone. Hartman is a lot better than you are giving credit for. Either way, I didn't put much thought in this trade. Teh focus was the Habs trade.



There is no trade involving Domi that doesn't involve cap coming back. Also the 15th overall pick is a very valuable piece. Habs are using Domi on the 4th line right now. Bjugstad is just replacement player for the lineup. If he play well, he's shipped out at the TDL. If he doesn't he's UFA. This isn't a big deal. Just remember, the Habs got Caulfield at 15th. Arguably the Habs best prospect. This is a good draft, there is a really good player available at 15th.

bc GMJR said they're keeping the 2020 pick I think they take it and not trade it.....but domi probably brings back a first or at least a really good prospect.

Taking Murray out...

Simon > Hartman (even if Hartman is better than I give credit for)
To offset that: a 7D and a 4th.
Even if you want to argue for only one of those it is still close to your offered package for Simon alone.

Fine, like I said this isn't the trade I'm really thinking about here. Just wanted to complete the roster quick quick.

Domi is not gonna get dealt imo but the 2020 first would make it interesting for MTL.

I think moving Domi makes a ton of sense. Especially for a mid first. He wants to play center, Habs are stacked at center already. If he plays wing, they'll want him on the LW, where they already have Tatar, Drouin, Byron, Lehkonen.

Domi had one good season on a 3rd team now after a trade. He's not worth the 15th over all. MTL fans are just going to have to get over that.
You don't give up 1st round picks for guys who 3 out of the last 4 seasons put up 40 point range.

I would sooner keep him on LW than trade him for less than what he is worth. People on here over value mid round picks if they cant cough up one for someone of Domi's caliber

It's the "what he's worth" part you seem to be confused on. You think he's a guy who put up 70 points for 3 of the last 4 seasons. He's not. 40 point guy. Basically his whole career. If he was that great he wouldn't be on your 4th line right now.

Name me the last time you saw a 40 point player get a 15th OA. or anything within 2-3 picks of that.

Its a good thing he has been moved to the top6 and produced 2 assists so far today... Its almost like you are trying to create his value from his short stint on 4C because Julien tried to roll 4 balanced lines.

He’s playing as 2RW rn and he’s doing well. Don’t buy into the “Domi absolutely wants to play center to the point he would rather get dealt than play wing” narrative. Probably some media BS.

You are right, most times players don't get traded for mid round picks, because any GM worth anything knows that a proven 40+ point producer is worth more than a CHANCE at a future 40+ point producer...

The issue really is that we have to sign Petry, Gallagher, Tatar, Danault, Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, Chiarot, Domi all within the next few years. We can't afford everyone, and Domi is likely one of the odd men out. I like Domi a lot, but unless Habs have the balls to deal Gallagher, I don't see a way to keep Domi long term.

actually if you bothered to read what I said, I based it off his last 4 years of production which is primarily a 40 pt player. But just ignore the whole point.

yeah or the fact that a 15th OA has a much higher potential ceiling so on one trades them for a 40pt player. But hey. Go ahead and list the last time it happened. Because I the penguins have a few guys in the 40 pt range I'd love to trade for the 14th or 16th OA pick if you think that's how it really works.

20 years old - Arizona - 81gp 52pts - 0.64PPG - 52 points over 82 game average
21 years old - Arizona - 59gp 38pts - 0.64PPG - 52 points over 82 game average
22 years old - Arizona - 82gp 45pts - 0.54PPG - 45 points over 82 game average
23 years old - Montreal - 82gp 72pts - 0.87PPG - 72 points over 82 game average
24 years old - Montreal - 71gp 44pts - 0.61PPG - 50 points over 82 game average


Look, when you learn to accurately label players, I will consider your suggestions on value. Also, how convenient that you stopped at 4 years, that 5th year is the other obvious "Domi is not a 40 point player" season. But you didn't bother looking at games played either...

No one is averaging out things to 82 games. It's like saying well if Bjugstad actually played more than 40 games a year...... no one gives him those 40 game values so stop trying to think your player should get them too.
His stats are what they are.
We take them at face value.
Because that is about what you can expect to get out of him.

While he is on the ice, he produces at a 50 point pace. He may miss games to injury, as anyone would... this isn't hard to understand...

Like I said, we take the stats at face value.
Because that is what you can expect to get.
He's a 40 point guy. Over the last 4 years, that is basically what he has produced.
It is what it is. Stop trying to make it something it's not.
When teams negotiate a contract they don't go, well he was 50 point pace on the ice....for the 30 games he was there so he's worth a fortune.
No they say, well he put up so many points a season. It is what it is.
It's why people view Bjugstad as "negative" value. He's hurt, when he's hurt he does nothing. Even though when he's not hurt he's produced fairly well.

It is what it is. Bjugstad doesn't hold some great value because of his time not on the ice. Why should any other player hold value for their time not on the ice.
Because it benefits your argument in this believe that somehow he's worth more than he actually is. No.
in 4 years he's had the opportunity to produce at more than a 40 point pace. 4 freaking years. He got it together to do so for 1 year.
That's it. You can have every excuse in the world, but in 4 years, he's basically stated with his play that he's a 40 point player.
And that is that.