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Rebuild continues

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Team: 2020-21 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 15, 2020
Published: Aug. 15, 2020
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Some roster shuffling and taking advantage of the flat cap. Yzerman continues the rebuild concentrating on defense by drafting Sanderson. More moves at the 2021 trade deadline: Helm, Filpulla, Nemeth, and Bernier.
Free Agent Signings
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5$5,250,000
2$3,250,000
7$6,250,000
2$875,000
2$1,250,000
3$2,750,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Sanderson, Jake
3$925,000
Trades
1.
TBL
  1. Ehn, Christoffer [RFA Rights]
  2. 2021 5th round pick (DET)
2.
DET
  1. Jarry, Tristan [RFA Rights]
PIT
  1. Bowey, Madison [RFA Rights]
  2. Perlini, Brendan [RFA Rights]
3.
DET
  1. Baertschi, Sven
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Hirose, Taro [RFA Rights]
4.
Buyouts
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2020
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2021
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2022
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24$81,500,000$69,360,791$0$1,352,500$12,139,209
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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LW, RW
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$875,000$875,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, C, LW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$874,125$874,125
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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LW
UFA - 1
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C, LW
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C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
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UFA - 2
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$714,166$714,166 (Performance Bonus$157,500$158K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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LD
UFA - 1
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RD
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$775,833$775,833 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
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RFA - 1
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G
UFA - 3
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$4,250,000$4,250,000
LW, RW
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UFA - 3
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$6,083,333$6,083,333
C
UFA - 1

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Aug. 15, 2020 at 11:11 a.m.
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I mean sure, but what is wrong with Cholowski that you are selling him off so quickly?
Aug. 15, 2020 at 11:12 a.m.
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Timashov & Brome over Zadina? Pitt is going to decline that and I’d rather hold onto Cholowski.
Aug. 15, 2020 at 11:25 a.m.
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There is no point in DET trading for a goalie till they fix that defense. You'll just blame him for a defense that allows tons of goals.
Aug. 15, 2020 at 11:32 a.m.
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I dont think hunting a goalie is a huge need but thats not gonna get you jarry, same with Johnson. Tampa is over a barrel but they arent just gonna give dudes away. Plus is he gonna wave for detroit
Aug. 15, 2020 at 11:50 a.m.
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Vancouver declines they aren't gonna trade a 2nd to get rid of Baertschi
Aug. 15, 2020 at 11:51 a.m.
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
I mean sure, but what is wrong with Cholowski that you are selling him off so quickly?


Horcoff:
“I think it’s fair to say that the area he needs to focus on is his defensive play – the physicality, just the overall intensity it takes to defend in the NHL,” Wings director of player personnel Shawn Horcoff said. “I think he is a young player that has survived on offense his whole life, and now when he is playing, he gets exposed a little bit on that side of the rink. Having said that, we have made it abundantly clear to him, and he’s aware of it and he’s working on it. And down in Grand Rapids, we had seen some growth in that area from him. So he’s working on it and he’s getting better.”

Cholo:
“I’ve had to deal with that my whole career, basically just learning to attack more and be more aggressive and assertive,” Cholowski said. “I’m not generally the most assertive guy off the ice, but I’ve had to learn to bring up that other side of my game and it’s coming along well. When I was younger it was tougher. But I’m a little older and more experienced now, and you have to go and fight your job.”

My take:
One of the other things “wrong” I feel is his draft pedigree, and the high expectations that come being picked 20th, so fans are restless as they expected him to be a contributor by now. But sometimes it just takes guys longer, especially dmen. And while he may never turn into a top pair guy, Cholowski still has NHL skills (skating, size, can run PP, good pick mover) and a good chance at being a quality NHL player. In retrospect, he would have greatly benefited by marinating longer in the NCAA’s where he attended St. Cloud State so he could continue to mature as a player and person, instead of on the fly at the AHL and NHL level. I think if not for his draft pedigree, we may have let that happen. The upcoming year will be massive for Cholo (to say the least), to show what progress he has made.
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Aug. 15, 2020 at 11:55 a.m.
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Timashov & Brome over Zadina? Pitt is going to decline that and I’d rather hold onto Cholowski.


I also would like to hang onto Cholowski. Unless he’s packaged in the right trade of course. Koekkoek is not that deal.
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Aug. 15, 2020 at 11:58 a.m.
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Interesting that Yzerman was the one who drafted Koekkoek in the first round. Maybe he still likes him. But we can get him for cheaper I would assume
Aug. 15, 2020 at 12:14 p.m.
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Jarry for Perlini, Bowey

So a potential starting goalie for a #13F and a #7D?

Pittsburgh counters with Jarry for Mantha and Hronek. See how silly it is when actual value is ignored?
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Aug. 15, 2020 at 12:17 p.m.
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Horcoff:
“I think it’s fair to say that the area he needs to focus on is his defensive play – the physicality, just the overall intensity it takes to defend in the NHL,” Wings director of player personnel Shawn Horcoff said. “I think he is a young player that has survived on offense his whole life, and now when he is playing, he gets exposed a little bit on that side of the rink. Having said that, we have made it abundantly clear to him, and he’s aware of it and he’s working on it. And down in Grand Rapids, we had seen some growth in that area from him. So he’s working on it and he’s getting better.”

Cholo:
“I’ve had to deal with that my whole career, basically just learning to attack more and be more aggressive and assertive,” Cholowski said. “I’m not generally the most assertive guy off the ice, but I’ve had to learn to bring up that other side of my game and it’s coming along well. When I was younger it was tougher. But I’m a little older and more experienced now, and you have to go and fight your job.”

My take:
One of the other things “wrong” I feel is his draft pedigree, and the high expectations that come being picked 20th, so fans are restless as they expected him to be a contributor by now. But sometimes it just takes guys longer, especially dmen. And while he may never turn into a top pair guy, Cholowski still has NHL skills (skating, size, can run PP, good pick mover) and a good chance at being a quality NHL player. In retrospect, he would have greatly benefited by marinating longer in the NCAA’s where he attended St. Cloud State so he could continue to mature as a player and person, instead of on the fly at the AHL and NHL level. I think if not for his draft pedigree, we may have let that happen. The upcoming year will be massive for Cholo (to say the least), to show what progress he has made.


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I also would like to hang onto Cholowski. Unless he’s packaged in the right trade of course. Koekkoek is not that deal.


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Interesting that Yzerman was the one who drafted Koekkoek in the first round. Maybe he still likes him. But we can get him for cheaper I would assume


KoekKoek has been Quietly good for us for the entire year, but with that said if we could turn him into an underperforming prospect with potential I would instantly, thanks for your quotes describing what the deal is which Cholo. I wouldn’t give up on him so early, and I’m not sure what kind of trade Detroit would make to move him out (unless it was a draft pick coming back or something but I don’t know why Detroit would move a young player during their rebuild)



I suppose I would bite with KoekKoek plus a pick if that was enough for him.
Aug. 15, 2020 at 12:40 p.m.
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There is no point in DET trading for a goalie till they fix that defense. You'll just blame him for a defense that allows tons of goals.


I agree with the analysis of our porous defense. But we also have to find a goalie somewhere for this season someway. And another one for the future.
It’s a wildly unpopular opinion and I know I’m in the minority, but I think Stevie Y has the balls and is not afraid to take Askarov with the 4th pick. And as much as I like Rossi and Raymond.. I want Askarov! We haven’t had a franchise caliber goalie, like EVER.
And to me, the timeline of our rebuild matches up to when Askarov will be ready to enter NHL. His contact with SKA St. Petersburg runs thru 21-22. Bring him here in 22-23. I think he’d still be only 20 years old then. By the time he enters NHL, Stevie has had three/four drafts and offseasons to build to churn roster, development of young players and we should be competing for a playoff spot. Plus Stevie has proven that he can find top six forwards outside of the first rd. So continue to find skaters everywhere possible. Choose the missing piece now!
Aug. 15, 2020 at 12:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
KoekKoek has been Quietly good for us for the entire year, but with that said if we could turn him into an underperforming prospect with potential I would instantly, thanks for your quotes describing what the deal is which Cholo. I wouldn’t give up on him so early, and I’m not sure what kind of trade Detroit would make to move him out (unless it was a draft pick coming back or something but I don’t know why Detroit would move a young player during their rebuild)



I suppose I would bite with KoekKoek plus a pick if that was enough for him.


With a pick maybe we do it and simply bc he wasn’t Stevie’s pick and we are obviously in a mode of acquiring draft assets. But I don’t see a team investing more than a 3rd rounder and we have no incentive to sell low. And perhaps just for new scenery it might be good for Cholo. Unfortunately for the Wings, I think if he does turn into a good player, I do see it eventually being in a different sweater probably I dunno, hard to say, this upcoming season is so important.
Aug. 15, 2020 at 12:55 p.m.
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I agree with the analysis of our porous defense. But we also have to find a goalie somewhere for this season someway. And another one for the future.
It’s a wildly unpopular opinion and I know I’m in the minority, but I think Stevie Y has the balls and is not afraid to take Askarov with the 4th pick. And as much as I like Rossi and Raymond.. I want Askarov! We haven’t had a franchise caliber goalie, like EVER.
And to me, the timeline of our rebuild matches up to when Askarov will be ready to enter NHL. His contact with SKA St. Petersburg runs thru 21-22. Bring him here in 22-23. I think he’d still be only 20 years old then. By the time he enters NHL, Stevie has had three/four drafts and offseasons to build to churn roster, development of young players and we should be competing for a playoff spot. Plus Stevie has proven that he can find top six forwards outside of the first rd. So continue to find skaters everywhere possible. Choose the missing piece now!


eh MAF was a high round goalie. I watched him let in more soft goals during playoff runs than I care to remember.
Goalies are flakey, and truth is you can probably trade down to the bottom of the first round and find a solid one.
With a pick as high as 4, getting an impact guy is essential.
If DET needs a goalie in the near term, there are options available. Allen from STL or Holtby come to mind. It's one thing if a team has the pieces in place and they need a goalie to be competitive. That's something you give up assets for. But when the team is swiss cheese in front of the goalie, it will only look like a bad deal. Unless you can find some miracle player who stands on his head every game.
That isn't Jarry, or Murray. Or frankly most other goal tenders. But a guy like Allen, is fairly cheap, good enough, and on a 1 year deal. So little risk there is it doesn't work out.
STL would probably move him for next to nothing to clear cap as well.
Aug. 15, 2020 at 1:00 p.m.
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Quoting: SweetRevenge19
With a pick maybe we do it and simply bc he wasn’t Stevie’s pick and we are obviously in a mode of acquiring draft assets. But I don’t see a team investing more than a 3rd rounder and we have no incentive to sell low. And perhaps just for new scenery it might be good for Cholo. Unfortunately for the Wings, I think if he does turn into a good player, I do see it eventually being in a different sweater probably I dunno, hard to say, this upcoming season is so important.



I think KoekKoek would be worth a late third or an Early 4th round pick. I would be happy to send one of the thirds we have along with him to acquire Cholo. But again I would wait if I were Detroit.
Aug. 15, 2020 at 1:23 p.m.
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eh MAF was a high round goalie. I watched him let in more soft goals during playoff runs than I care to remember.
Goalies are flakey, and truth is you can probably trade down to the bottom of the first round and find a solid one.
With a pick as high as 4, getting an impact guy is essential.
If DET needs a goalie in the near term, there are options available. Allen from STL or Holtby come to mind. It's one thing if a team has the pieces in place and they need a goalie to be competitive. That's something you give up assets for. But when the team is swiss cheese in front of the goalie, it will only look like a bad deal. Unless you can find some miracle player who stands on his head every game.
That isn't Jarry, or Murray. Or frankly most other goal tenders. But a guy like Allen, is fairly cheap, good enough, and on a 1 year deal. So little risk there is it doesn't work out.
STL would probably move him for next to nothing to clear cap as well.


I’m not arguing we should give up assets for a goalie. We don’t need to and we shouldn’t. I’m also well aware of STL situation. And are you watching these playoffs?.. Holtby looks awful, he’s done.

I also remember MAF making huge saves against the Wings in ‘09 when the won their first cup. The guy was the backbone of many great Pens teams (I know, CROSBY). But MAF has won 3 cups. 5 time All-Star. All decade team. YADAYADAYADA. I’d take that production from the #4 pick all day long.
To me there is no difference of where a player is taken in the first round, as long as it is the right pick.
After the top 3 this year. Askarov has the potential to have the biggest impact on a franchise. To me it’s worth the risk to take a swing on the elite goalie prospect scouts say is the best o come along in 10 years or since Carey Price. Especially since all prospects come with inherent risk.
Aug. 15, 2020 at 1:40 p.m.
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Quoting: SweetRevenge19
I’m not arguing we should give up assets for a goalie. We don’t need to and we shouldn’t. I’m also well aware of STL situation. And are you watching these playoffs?.. Holtby looks awful, he’s done.

I also remember MAF making huge saves against the Wings in ‘09 when the won their first cup. The guy was the backbone of many great Pens teams (I know, CROSBY). But MAF has won 3 cups. 5 time All-Star. All decade team. YADAYADAYADA. I’d take that production from the #4 pick all day long.
To me there is no difference of where a player is taken in the first round, as long as it is the right pick.
After the top 3 this year. Askarov has the potential to have the biggest impact on a franchise. To me it’s worth the risk to take a swing on the elite goalie prospect scouts say is the best o come along in 10 years or since Carey Price. Especially since all prospects come with inherent risk.


MAF is also the reason for a lot of playoff melt downs as well. Like the Boston series. He let in some truly awful goals in that series. There is a reason he lost his job to Murray.
Holtby is a better goalie than to just be "done." He's not that old, he still has a few years in him. He's only 30 and it's not like WSH doesn't have other issue other than goalie play.
Bad year for him no doubt. But he's a guy I wouldn't bet against in turning it around.
Aug. 15, 2020 at 1:49 p.m.
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Quoting: pharrow
MAF is also the reason for a lot of playoff melt downs as well. Like the Boston series. He let in some truly awful goals in that series. There is a reason he lost his job to Murray.
Holtby is a better goalie than to just be "done." He's not that old, he still has a few years in him. He's only 30 and it's not like WSH doesn't have other issue other than goalie play.
Bad year for him no doubt. But he's a guy I wouldn't bet against in turning it around.


Yeah he might still be a nice backup/tandem. So maybe he takes a 2year 6 mil contact like we gave Bernier. Nobody is gonna go out and sign him as a outright starter this offseason. And maybe he shows flashes of brilliance or even regains form, or gets hot and helps a team make a run, but that’s a lot to ask at this point and a big if. Plus, his downward trend began before this year. Which is why it’s easier to project that this is just who he is now.
 
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