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Fire Dubas

Created by: Saskleaf
Initial Creation Date: Aug 15, 2020
Published: Aug 15 at 11:27
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Dubas needs to be fired. Who here agrees?
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
25$81,500,000$85,721,866$0$0-$4,221,866
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Clifford, Kyle
$800,000
LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Malgin, Denis
$750,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$675,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Rosén, Calle
$750,000
LD
UFA - 2
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Aug 15 at 11:27
#1
Joined: Aug 2020
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no
Aug 15 at 11:28
#2
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 2,064
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No. This year isn’t an issue for me because all of last years moves had him cleaning up the mess Lou left him
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Aug 15 at 11:34
#3
Joined: Jun 2017
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You can certainly do a lot worse with GM's. Take it from a fan who saw Fenton trade Nino for Rask, Coyle for Donato and a very late pick, and while Fiala for Granlund looks like a home run trade for us, at the time Granny was a 2-time 60+ point winger and Fiala had not had a single season scoring more than 48 points and was coming off a major leg injury. Oh and he signed Zuccarello to a $30M deal over 5 years and gave him a NMC. Toronto fans of all fan bases should know it could be a lot worse.

Dubas managed to keep 3 supremely talented forwards and signed a #1 center in free agency which almost never happens in the NHL. Does he have more work to do? Certainly, but he's not as bad of a GM as some fans on here make him out to be.
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Aug 15 at 11:34
#4
NHL Trade Inspector
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Quoting: MMXD
No. This year isn’t an issue for me because all of last years moves had him cleaning up the mess Lou left him


Yep, thanks to Lou signing Marleau to that contract we lost the 13th OA pick which we could have used to draft Braden Schneider. What else could Dubas have do nobody would have taken that contract unless a 1st was involved.
Aug 15 at 11:35
#5
BigDog91
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 1,053
Likes: 259
Always thought he was overrated by leaf fans. Wat has he really done to make the team better. The defense is a train wreck and can’t get past first round.
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Aug 15 at 11:37
#6
NHL Trade Inspector
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Quoting: TanSor
You can certainly do a lot worse with GM's. Take it from a fan who saw Fenton trade Nino for Rask, Coyle for Donato and a very late pick, and while Fiala for Granlund looks like a home run trade for us, at the time Granny was a 2-time 60+ point winger and Fiala had not had a single season scoring more than 48 points and was coming off a major leg injury. Oh and he signed Zuccarello to a $30M deal over 5 years and gave him a NMC. Toronto fans of all fan bases should know it could be a lot worse.

Dubas managed to keep 3 supremely talented forwards and signed a #1 center in free agency which almost never happens in the NHL. Does he have more work to do? Certainly, but he's not as bad of a GM as some fans on here make him out to be.


Dubas in general has only been gm for 3 years and while one of his trades (kadri) wasnt that great due to Babcocks interference he has done alot of good for this team. His FA signings and ability to grab overseas talent is amazing. His ability to find steals in later rounds of the draft (Robertson) is solid. Only other issue is his contracts of Matthews and Marner being bad. But he has improved as shown with the engvall and holl contracts.

I say give him a year or two and now that he knows the issue he should make moves to help improve our blue line or just help our team in general become more defensive without sacrificing to much of the offense.
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Aug 15 at 11:38
#7
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 6,381
Likes: 1,453
He needs to go. He's made the team worse since he's been in charge.

Good things about Dubas: He's done a good job drafting and signing UFAs.

Bad things about Dubas: Contract negotiation skills (probably the worst GM in the league) and his stubbornness to pay 4 players half the team's salary.

His decision making is also very bad. We all knew the Leafs weren't gonna win the cup as assembled but when he had the chance to trade for DeMelo he didn't (even though it only costed a 3rd round pick). So he didn't try to improve the team... but then when offered Stetcher and Vancouver's 2nd round pick for Barrie he didn't even consider the deal or try to negotiate. He was unwilling to accept that he had overpaid for Barrie...

GMs that can't adapt don't last very long in the NHL. I do not trust Kyle Dubas to bring home the cup.

For that reason I think he should be fired.
Aug 15 at 11:39
#8
BigDog91
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 1,053
Likes: 259
Quoting: TanSor
You can certainly do a lot worse with GM's. Take it from a fan who saw Fenton trade Nino for Rask, Coyle for Donato and a very late pick, and while Fiala for Granlund looks like a home run trade for us, at the time Granny was a 2-time 60+ point winger and Fiala had not had a single season scoring more than 48 points and was coming off a major leg injury. Oh and he signed Zuccarello to a $30M deal over 5 years and gave him a NMC. Toronto fans of all fan bases should know it could be a lot worse.

Dubas managed to keep 3 supremely talented forwards and signed a #1 center in free agency which almost never happens in the NHL. Does he have more work to do? Certainly, but he's not as bad of a GM as some fans on here make him out to be.

Johnny t was always going to sign with hometown. Dubas wasn’t a factor. He messed up big time not signing nylander and especially marner year earlier. He could of saved a lot of money. Before marner and Matthews signed he had millions and cap and still didn’t fix defense.
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Aug 15 at 11:41
#9
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Quoting: TanSor
You can certainly do a lot worse with GM's. Take it from a fan who saw Fenton trade Nino for Rask, Coyle for Donato and a very late pick, and while Fiala for Granlund looks like a home run trade for us, at the time Granny was a 2-time 60+ point winger and Fiala had not had a single season scoring more than 48 points and was coming off a major leg injury. Oh and he signed Zuccarello to a $30M deal over 5 years and gave him a NMC. Toronto fans of all fan bases should know it could be a lot worse.

Dubas managed to keep 3 supremely talented forwards and signed a #1 center in free agency which almost never happens in the NHL. Does he have more work to do? Certainly, but he's not as bad of a GM as some fans on here make him out to be.


He's not the worst GM but I don't think he's good enough to win a cup. True he got Tavares but the other 3 forwards were already in the system and he managed to mess up in the contract negotiations for all of them.

We need a GM like Masai Ujiri and that isn't Dubas.
Aug 15 at 11:42
#10
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 6,381
Likes: 1,453
Quoting: BigDog91
Johnny t was always going to sign with hometown. Dubas wasn’t a factor. He messed up big time not signing nylander and especially marner year earlier. He could of saved a lot of money. Before marner and Matthews signed he had millions and cap and still didn’t fix defense.


I'd let him do the draft and then fire him.
Aug 15 at 11:45
#11
Joined: Mar 2020
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Quoting: aadoyle
Yep, thanks to Lou signing Marleau to that contract we lost the 13th OA pick which we could have used to draft Braden Schneider. What else could Dubas have do nobody would have taken that contract unless a 1st was involved.


Don't worry too much about that pick. Theres this kid in the second round named Helge Grans. I'd be very dissapointed if the leafs skip on him
Aug 16 at 9:35
#12
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Jays and Roughriders
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Quoting: aadoyle
Yep, thanks to Lou signing Marleau to that contract we lost the 13th OA pick which we could have used to draft Braden Schneider. What else could Dubas have do nobody would have taken that contract unless a 1st was involved.


That one, dispite being the worst trade he’s done, wasn’t his fault. But I still think he overpaid the big 4. Not to mention the Kadri trade.
Aug 16 at 9:36
#13
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
I'd let him do the draft and then fire him.

Ya. He’s a good drafter.
Aug 16 at 10:39
#14
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
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I wouldn’t let him sign another player to a long term contract.
Aug 16 at 10:57
#15
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I wouldn’t let him sign another player to a long term contract.


Exactly what I am thinking.
Aug 16 at 3:49
#16
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Quoting: Saskleaf
That one, dispite being the worst trade he’s done, wasn’t his fault. But I still think he overpaid the big 4. Not to mention the Kadri trade.


Kadri had to go. He got his ass suspended twice in the playoffs costing us against boston. I guarantee if he was still here he would have got his ass suspended again against columbus. If it wasnt for Babcock nobody would have been complaining as Barrie would have had around 45-50 points if keefe was head coach from the start.

Plus he didnt overpay the big 4 by much. Nylander almost had 40 goals and is being paid 6.9 mill thats a steal now. Marner was overpaid by 1 mill big deal he had 94 points before the contract offer him 7 and he was gone which people would then demand dubas be fired anyways. Matthews contract just needed 3 more years and it would have been fine. Tavares was gonna get paid no matter what team to. In general 3 of the big 4 are young and are only going to get better which is what Dubas is banking on which as we saw with the capitals is a slow process but it works.

So these arguments are just silly at this point as Dubas has been an alright GM and better than some who are still in the league.
Aug 19 at 4:33
#17
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Quoting: aadoyle
Kadri had to go. He got his ass suspended twice in the playoffs costing us against boston. I guarantee if he was still here he would have got his ass suspended again against columbus. If it wasnt for Babcock nobody would have been complaining as Barrie would have had around 45-50 points if keefe was head coach from the start.

Plus he didnt overpay the big 4 by much. Nylander almost had 40 goals and is being paid 6.9 mill thats a steal now. Marner was overpaid by 1 mill big deal he had 94 points before the contract offer him 7 and he was gone which people would then demand dubas be fired anyways. Matthews contract just needed 3 more years and it would have been fine. Tavares was gonna get paid no matter what team to. In general 3 of the big 4 are young and are only going to get better which is what Dubas is banking on which as we saw with the capitals is a slow process but it works.

So these arguments are just silly at this point as Dubas has been an alright GM and better than some who are still in the league.


He has his good qualities. I agree he’s a moderate GM. Just trying to get people going to be honest haha.
 
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