Gardiner's back was basically shot and he was still the leafs 2nd best defender. Moving him wouldnt have gotten anything significant and made the defence much worse.
And no way was he getting anything close to that for Barrie. The rumour was for Troy Stetcher at most
No one was offering anything close to that value for Barrie. I believe at the time of the Deadline Mackanzie or some insider said he was only getting offers of 3rd round picks. Which at that point its just worth more to keep him around.
Gardiner wasn't having a great season up to that point and was having injury issues, specifically back issues.
If you want to be frustrated with asset management be mad that we held onto Bozak, JVR while at the same time spending 2nd round picks on Boyle and Plekanec.
Hard to blame Dubas on either of those moves. Gardiner had back issues in his last season with the team and the whole league knew about it. The team was contending then too so throwing a legit top 4 d-man away for a mediocre pick woulda actually been worse asset management. & Leafs asking price for Barrie at this years deadline was what St.Louis got for Shattenkirk (1st, 2nd, prospect) but no teams bit on it. They set their price and weren't going to accept anything less. That's actually smart on their behalf. It's not his fault no one would pay what they were asking
Gardiner's back was basically shot and he was still the leafs 2nd best defender. Moving him wouldnt have gotten anything significant and made the defence much worse.
And no way was he getting anything close to that for Barrie. The rumour was for Troy Stetcher at most
Quoting: Byrr
So with a team that has been light on defensive depth youve wanted to trade 2 defensemen for futures going into the playoffs?
Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
What kind of competing team trades expiring UFAs?
The St. Louis Blues did kind of the same a couple of years ago when they traded Shattenkirk. And I might be wrong, but didn't the back problem start after the trade deadline.
Also, It does not need to be picks, just assets that are under club control, or trading the guys for picks and then the picks for players.
In the end, the Leafs were not a competitive team those last two years and lost quite a bid of value for free
The St. Louis Blues did kind of the same a couple of years ago when they traded Shattenkirk. And I might be wrong, but didn't the back problem start after the trade deadline.
Also, It does not need to be picks, just assets that are under club control, or trading the guys for picks and then the picks for players.
In the end, the Leafs were not a competitive team those last two years and lost quite a bid of value for free
The Blues had Pietro and Parayko ahead of shattenkirk and solid bottom pairing depth, the leafs had, well you know what the leafs had. That's not a great comparison, especially if they didnt plan on re-signing him and they got a great return.
The St. Louis Blues did kind of the same a couple of years ago when they traded Shattenkirk. And I might be wrong, but didn't the back problem start after the trade deadline.
Also, It does not need to be picks, just assets that are under club control, or trading the guys for picks and then the picks for players.
In the end, the Leafs were not a competitive team those last two years and lost quite a bid of value for free
St. Louis was tenth in their conference, and knew they weren’t contenders. The Leafs were firmly third in the division, and trying to win the cup.
St. Louis was tenth in their conference, and knew they weren’t contenders. The Leafs were firmly third in the division, and trying to win the cup.
I am a Leafs fan myself, but I don't have the illusion that the Leafs are trying to win the cup during the last years. They are good, but not good enough to win the league at the moment
St. Louis was tenth in their conference, and knew they weren’t contenders. The Leafs were firmly third in the division, and trying to win the cup.
If you want to make a case that they should've trade Barrie... sure. But at best you're getting back Stecher or a 3rd. They weren't missing out on a 1st
If you want to make a case that they should've trade Barrie... sure. But at best you're getting back Stecher or a 3rd. They weren't missing out on a 1st
I would even take that I think. But we should not forget that that Vancouver trade rumor was just so hyped because both teams are from Canada and therefore you have the attention of two fan bases
I am a Leafs fan myself, but I don't have the illusion that the Leafs are trying to win the cup during the last years. They are good, but not good enough to win the league at the moment
Just because you don’t think they were good enough doesn’t mean they weren’t trying. Last year if they weren’t trying to win the cup they wouldn’t have traded for Muzzin, and this year they wouldn’t have traded for Clifford/Campbell.
Just because you don’t think they were good enough doesn’t mean they weren’t trying. Last year if they weren’t trying to win the cup they wouldn’t have traded for Muzzin, and this year they wouldn’t have traded for Clifford/Campbell.
I am also trying to beat the world record standing at 9.59 seconds when I run 100 meters and got very nice and light shoes to do so, does not mean that I will beat his time.