Agree it's not a good trade, but I just wanted to focus on the Pietrangelo and Hall signings.

Would probably have to be for some rookie D like Ian Mitchell, otherwise it ain't worth it for other teams.

Disturbing.

Just genuinely asking why do you think Marner's value is so low

Again, I just didn't put any effort in the Marner trade & that's alright considering that wasn't the main idea of this post. Doesn't make me a troll.

It's a lot of money for other teams to take on. Just doesn't seem worth it for them to blow up several valuable pieces just to add him & not have cap space to improve the team further.

People aren't referring to this post only.

Literally all Marner trades you do are defective, to put it midly.

Lot of money perhaps, but $9-10M of it are easily deserved.

Do you really think EDM would move McDavid for instance in exchange to some B prospect like Ian Mitchell because he might earn tad too much when compared to MacKinnon? Because that is a bit exaggeratedly what your logic sounds like...

I’ve spoken to a lot of Leaf fans on social media & they told me they don’t expect Marner to fetch anything of value cuz his contract is an albatross. Would either have to add a sweetener or take salary back.

McDacid is the best player in the game, so his trade value can be justified even if he makes much more than his peers. Marner might be a top 20 forward but paid like a top 5.

Naturally you'd have to take some salary back - but not because he's of negative value but because cap is so tight in the league by nature. There currently isn't a team able to take his whole contract without giving some salary back to Leafs way. This would apply to every single player with contract above $9mil or more.

By taking account the opinions of some Leafs fans you've managed to become one of the running jokes of this site with these horrendous trades, which is a pity because your posts were sensible to some extent when you runned the mikeythepensfan account.

Well, most of my posts are still good. It’s just, all the drama between the fans & Mitch Marner have hindered my perspective about him.

I actually said 90 to 110 points player and not specifically 110 points.....So you think Marner is not a 90 point player in the NHL?......So you think players who put up 90 points or more are not franchise players for their teams?.........Leafs fans are not over-rating Marner we just appreciate what a great young player is actually is that can play 5x5, PP and PK and great hockey player who is committed to getting better and he is an even better person........You seem like you are also a little jealous of Marner.

Hes a 90 point player. He will never sniff 110. that's absurd. I never said he isnt a good player, he is, but hes overpaid, and was underwhelming in the playoffs for the size of his contract. Pens fans are not jealous of marner lol. We have Crosby/Malkin/Guentzel lol we are not drooling over marner.

Leaf fans may overate MM, but it’s just as bad to under rate him. I see him as a perennial 100pt player. At 23 he’s already surpassed 90pts and was on pace to beat that this year. Franchise player may be a bit of a stretch, but you went the other direction.

Being hated on is part of being a fan of the most followed team in hockey.

Why did you CC at least 35 capfriendly Leaf fan viewers for comments about this anti-Marner post but then quickly removed the CC names and edited your explanation of your post?

So you do not think both Tavares and Matthews were also underwhelming in the playoffs as well for the size of their contracts?......Just curious......You name three great hockey players who are now all on their decline curves.......Guentzel is nothing without Crosby so have no idea why you are even mentioning his name.

You are the same fan that said Robertson would not play for the Leafs in this years playoffs.

they are on their decline curves and are still way better than Marner lol. thats the best part. And Guentzel is an excellent talent who makes only 6 million. You dont even watch him play. thats like saying Marner wouldn't be anything without Tavares. Get out of here you clown.

and I never said that Robertson wouldn't play, I said to lower your expectations for him because you thought he was going to be this elite winger this series when meanwhile he was underwhelming like what I said. Once again, I was right and you were wrong

hes a great player, but once again, hes not good enough to be the best player on a Stanley Cup team. he cant carry a team to the cup, therefore his contract is overpaid and thats why people dont love him on this site.

He has more value than a cap dump

I see what you tried to do here, but there’s no way he gets moved for strictly cap dumps. I can’t see any situation where he gets moved for anything short of a similarly aged top pairing RHD...so he isn’t being moved.

He is over paid because he cant carry a team to the cup?? .........This comment makes absolutely no sense and just proves you are just a Penguins fan who is jealous of Marner and the Leafs.

You are the guy that wrote off Robertson and now you are backtracking.

I agree except McDavid could have got more and still have been worth it. Just think of it this way. Marner is a winger, which is not a bad position but when compared to the value of a center you would shy away. So if someone Marners age with the same skill who was a center getting paid the same would be worth more probably. I'm just saying like trade Marner to the Minnesota wild. How much better does it actually make them? Or does it leave them still with a gap at center and a lot of assets lost. I personally wouldn't trade for Marner on any team. Only wingers worth that much IMO are Panarin and Kane...maybe Kucherov.

LMFAO yeah im the jealous one of the leafs when ive seen more winning in the last 10 years than you'll ever see your entire life. get out of here you clown. you're actually one of the worst accounts on this site and give leafs fans a bad name. he is overpaid because he has the 7th highest AAV in the league and hes not even a top 20 player. Rantanen signed for 9.25 million compared to Marner's massive 10.893 million deal when they have similar numbers. Stone signed a 9.5 X 8 year extension when hes a better player than Marner. kucherov signed a 9.5 deal after a 100 point season. At the end of the day, there is absolutely no denying that Marner is overpaid. And whether it is his fault, or his Dad's fault, it was greedy and it hurts the team moving forward when it comes to winning a cup. It was a selfish move by the Marner camp and I don't respect him for it