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Discussion of Realistic RHD Trades for Nylander

Created by: Alfie11
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
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Published: Aug. 18, 2020
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Fair warning this is a bit of a read, but I was both bored and sick of lopsided trades so I decided to put this together. You can probably skim it pretty easily if you're not interested in my reasoning. Please don't comment on the length, just move on if you don't want to discuss this.

Nylander gets traded 20 times an hour nowadays, for everything from the #3 overall pick to AHL bums who happen to shoot right depending on who makes the ACGM. Figured it would be good for everyone to have a discussion about realistic targets/returns on some of these teams (and it would also help my sanity), plus if I put in this effort now and it's established what the value is then it means I don't have to put in as much effort when commenting on the hundreds of Nylander trades and maybe it'll help other people be more reasonable lol. I'll put some stuff as a starting point and hopefully we can reach a realistic value for a few targets, and then see if it's actually worth it for either side to make the deal, rather than just having constant overpays/underpays that derail threads and take away from evaluating the new team. Any dman too good for Nylander is likely gonna require Marner for them to consider it so we'll just consider them untouchable because Marner isn't going anywhere.

Evaluation of Nylander: skilled top 6 winger, potential to play centre but he hasn't been good at that lately. 60-70 pts per season. Recently traded comparables: Matt Duchene, valued at a 1st+two tier 3 prospects as a rental (FYI google prospect pyramid if you want to know what the tiers mean). Jason Zucker, valued at a 1st+bottom 6 NHL player+tier 3 prospect for 3.5 years. Nylander has significant term on what is probably a fair contract. Value: 1st+middle six NHL player+tier 3 prospect? Note: Nylander probably shouldn't be traded for that (Leafs should really only entertain top 4 RHD imo) but I have seen some trades getting rid of him for futures as a cap casualty so I'll talk about them a little. It's also nice to match that up against comparable values of target RHD.

Players Nylander does not approach in value: Ekblad, Hamilton, Parayko, Jones, Letang. Please stop trying to trade him for these players it's not gonna happen.

RHD within reason right now but that I don't see getting dealt: Andersson, Carlo, Pesce, Marino, P. Myers.

Note that this is just for trades. Obviously there are some FAs they could target (DeMelo, Gudas, Schultz, Tanev, etc.) but they don't have much cap room for that. They aren't getting Pietrangelo lol

Final verdict: the trades that would be best for Toronto are with Columbus, Anaheim, Minnesota, New Jersey, or Nashville. The trades that are most likely to happen are with Arizona, Edmonton, or Buffalo, all of which you could probably complete without Nylander, but at least those 3 teams are likely to have significant interest in him. Do I think Nylander is getting dealt? No I don't, I think the big 4 get at least one more season, and Dubas targets a RHD in free agency and deals his 3rd line. But if one of these deals is available maybe Dubas makes it.
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TOR
  1. Kesler, Ryan
  2. Manson, Josh
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Friedman in February: "A GM told me 'your wife doesn't love you as much as the Ducks love Josh Manson.'" This indicates he's probably not on the trade block at all, but if he is, it won't be Manson+ for Nylander. It'll be straight up, or close to it. He's similar to Muzzin, but produces slightly less offense. 1.5 years of Muzzin was worth 1st+two tier 3 prospects, so 2 years of Manson is roughly worth a little less than what I've valued Nylander at I'd say.
ANA
    This should mean the Ducks add, but you've gotta take into account the rarity of RHD, the desperation of the Leafs, and how much the Ducks like that guy even if trading him will help their rebuild. I would say the Leafs probably add a little bit, something like taking the Kesler deal, a late pick upgrade (4th for 6th?), or a tier 4 prospect (like Abramov or Hollowell).
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    1. Demers, Jason
    2. Garland, Conor
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    Don't know as much about Arizona admittedly, but Demers is 32 and only has one year left. He had significantly more OZone starts last year than he normally gets and his possession numbers were worse than normal so I'm assuming he didn't have a great year, and it doesn't look like he was especially great the year before either. Someone who watches Arizona let me know if this is way off. So I have the Coyotes adding a significant piece coming back.
    ARI
      Garland had a breakout year with 20 goals, solid player (who is actually a bit older than Nylander lol) on a cheap deal for another year before RFA. He'll be able to slot into the Leafs middle six. If Arizona isn't willing to give up Garland, I could see them asking for Crouse or Grabner (potentially with retention) plus a late round pick or tier 4 prospect.
      3.
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      1. Miller, Colin
      2. Montour, Brandon [RFA Rights]
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      Miller's value last summer was a 2nd+5th for three seasons. Montour's value at lsat year's deadline was a 1st+tier 4 prospect for 1.5 seasons. Honestly both of them together is probably around the same value as Nylander, maybe a little less (I've heard Montour might not get qualified and neither were great this year).
      BUF
        A mid-round pick is probably necessary to be added going Toronto's way. It would make more sense for Toronto to target Buffalo with Kapanen or Kerfoot for one of these guys honestly, neither is too spectacular and Buffalo doesn't have any forwards signed so there's no middle six player of interest to add.
        4.
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        1. Savard, David
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        This is one I'm really not sure of the value. Savard is a reliable second pair, shutdown guy. There are two ways to finish this trade imo. One is to add Anderson, but Anderson+Savard is worth more than Nylander so the Leafs have to add a piece.
        CBJ
          The other way is if CBJ gives up one of their prized goalie prospects. Obviously they're not gonna add Korpisalo or Merzlikins, and Tarasov is arguably their best, so add Vehvilainen or Kivlenieks to Savard and even it out. This is one where I'd appreciate input on what perimeter pieces even out both these theoretical deals.
          5.
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          1. Benning, Matthew [RFA Rights]
          2. Larsson, Adam
          3. Russell, Kris
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          Bear and Bouchard aren't on the table.
          EDM
            Any of these is a reasonable target for Toronto, but Nylander would be a massive overpay. One of Kapanen/Johnsson/Kerfoot would suffice, these are all 3rd pair guys (maybe low end 2nd pair guys).
            6.
            TOR
            1. Weegar, MacKenzie [RFA Rights]
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            Unsure if there's a fit here. On the one hand, Florida has 4 blueliners making 4.875mil+. On the other they were told to cut 10mil, so adding Nylander doesn't make sense unless there's equal cap leaving, and idk how you swing that.
            FLA
              This might be another one where Toronto targets Weegar with less expensive assets (if he's even on the table).
              7.
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              1. Dumba, Matt
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              This is probably pretty close to a one for one swap. Not really sure what to think about this one.
              MIN
                I don't know if the Leafs would have interest in Dumba, but they might get a second piece because Dumba had a down year.
                8.
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                1. Ellis, Ryan
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                The guy Nylander gets traded for more than any other. News flash: Ellis is a stud. He honestly should be in the too good category with guys like Jones and Ekblad.
                NSH
                  I do think Nashville is desperate enough to consider this though, and Toronto likely has a good enough second and maybe third piece to make it intriguing (Holl+Johnsson?). Dark horse candidate for best value if Poile reverts to his old "the trade is one for one" style lol
                  9.
                  TOR
                  1. Severson, Damon
                  2. Wood, Miles
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                  He's been rumoured to the Leafs forever lol. Not sure if NJD even wants to trade him (I believe at the deadline the answer was no) so he might be one of those guys within reason but still not moving. If he is available, Nylander alone is a bit of an overpay.
                  NJD
                    Wood would be a capable 3rd liner on the Leafs, but Severson is the main part of the deal as a developing top 4 dman who can QB PP2 and got better defensively this year. He's probably part of the future in NJ but Nylander's skill and the potential to pair him with Hughes or Hischier might be enough to convince the Devils to trade Severson. I think Nylander holds more value than Severson alone, but with Wood it's really close, maybe Toronto has to add a small piece going back. NJ would appreciate a pick or prospect (SDA?).
                    10.
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                    1. Mayfield, Scott
                    2. Pulock, Ryan [RFA Rights]
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                    Pulock is an RFA likely pretty close in value to Nylander but probably not on the table. Mayfield isn't close to Nylander, probably around one of the third liners in value, or a pick.
                    NYI
                      If it was Mayfield+Beauvillier I'd consider Nylander for that cuz I'm a big fan of Beauvillier, but I doubt the Isles do that. NYI is probably not the best trade partner unless Lou really wants some random guy from his tenure there. Isles are more likely to trade Leddy this off-season imo.
                      11.
                      TOR
                      1. Brown, Connor [RFA Rights]
                      2. Carcone, Michael
                      3. Jaros, Christian [RFA Rights]
                      4. 2020 1st round pick (NYI)
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                      I see a lot of Nylander to the Sens trades for some reason. He's not worth the #3 or #5 pick. This is likely the highest offer you'd get as far as futures are concerned from Ottawa.
                      OTT
                        A 1st, a middle six forward who scored 20 goals for you guys, a decent 3RD and an average prospect who apparently Dubas really likes. Nylander really isn't needed in Ottawa.
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                        Aug. 18, 2020 at 12:49 p.m.
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                        All bad except Islanders and Nashville
                        Aug. 18, 2020 at 12:54 p.m.
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                        I think your valuation of these defenceman are off. For example, Ellis & Pulock are a tier above all the others.
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                        All bad except Islanders and Nashville

                        I mean the point is to discuss what makes each of them closer lol, I mainly just went over the RHD to target, what I value them at, and some potential add-ons to get the conversation going. I wouldn't actually do any of the trades here, but these would be the main pieces involved. I'm just wondering what fair periphery pieces would be, and if there's another definite no from any of these teams because the player is too valuable (like Pesce, Andersson, or Carlo)
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                        Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
                        I think your valuation of these defenceman are off. For example, Ellis & Pulock are a tier above all the others.

                        I agree which is why I said either Toronto is adding or it's close to one for one for those guys, whereas most of the others have the non-Toronto team adding a significant piece because it's a second pair guy and not a top pair guy.
                        Aug. 18, 2020 at 1:05 p.m.
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                        Savard isn’t the answer. Columbus doesn’t want to move him, unless we get someone back to replace him, and I don’t think Toronto should go for another rental At that position.
                        Aug. 18, 2020 at 1:16 p.m.
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                        Thank you for this post. Personally I’m of the opinion though that trading Nylander for a lesser d man plus peripheral assets would be a huge mistake (I.e. Manson, severson, savard). If dubas can’t land a true top pair RHD for nylander (or Nylander plus picks/prospects), and has to trade him, I’d rather Toronto fetch a package of blue chip picks/prospects and then go out and sign a UFa
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                        Aug. 18, 2020 at 1:16 p.m.
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                        Quoting: Ajp_18
                        Savard isn’t the answer. Columbus doesn’t want to move him, unless we get someone back to replace him, and I don’t think Toronto should go for another rental At that position.

                        If it was Nylander+Holl for Anderson+Savard what would need to be added in your opinion? I feel like that's decently close, and gives CBJ some more high end talent up front (they only played 70 games, but nobody on Columbus topped 50 points). I like Bjork, PLD, and Atkinson but Nylander would certainly make them more threatening on offense.
                        Aug. 18, 2020 at 1:24 p.m.
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                        Quoting: truculence67
                        Thank you for this post. Personally I’m of the opinion though that trading Nylander for a lesser d man plus peripheral assets would be a huge mistake (I.e. Manson, severson, savard). If dubas can’t land a true top pair RHD for nylander (or Nylander plus picks/prospects), and has to trade him, I’d rather Toronto fetch a package of blue chip picks/prospects and then go out and sign a UFa


                        This!

                        There's absolutely no way that you're getting equal value in a Nylander for a RD trade. The teams that have excellent RD's aren't trading them because they need them for their own teams. The mid-tier RD's (Manson-type guys) are on teams that can afford to move them, but you'd need to overpay for them.

                        If you want to move Nylander, picks and prospects are the way to go, then fill the hole through FA, where you may be able to get a reasonable deal.
                        Aug. 18, 2020 at 1:27 p.m.
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                        Quoting: Alfie11
                        I agree which is why I said either Toronto is adding or it's close to one for one for those guys, whereas most of the others have the non-Toronto team adding a significant piece because it's a second pair guy and not a top pair guy.


                        I understand. The thing is, if all they can get for Nylander is a Manson or Savard, then I’d rather just keep him & cap dump Marner to sign Pietrangelo.
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                        The real issue in dealing Nylander is found in truky assessing what is already on the RD for the Leafs.

                        I love Holl's game. He has and can play 18-20 minutes a game and look highly effective doing it. He may not be a flashy name, but is game is simple and economical. Is he a top 4 D? That is hard to answer as there just isn't a large enough body of work to answer it, but, if his play in the last half of the season is an indication, the answer is quite possibly.

                        Dermott seems to be developing into a bit of a two-wat defender. His development was undoubtedly hindered by the injury that kept him out of the lineup for the better part of the first half. Having said that, he didn't look bad playing those 18-20 minutes a night when Muzzin and Reilly were out. He is still young with upside. The obvious drawback is that he is a left shot.

                        Sandin looks sooooo good. Where he says he has experience playing RD, is that where you want to put him during this key development time? No way playing big minutes should be thought about right now, so I slot him as the left side of the bottom pairing.

                        This new guy Lehtonen seems to have to ability to move the puck very well. But can her defend? I don't know enough about him to begin to cast a guess. On a one year deal...... does it matter? Was he a placeholder for Liligren or sign for better depth?

                        And Liligren.... he is going to be good. But for me he isn't ready. One more year with the Marlies, and it's game on. He is developing into a sound defender - with not as much offensive game as once hoped. But he can defend.

                        Overall I look at the situation, and it's not bad. What became so clear in the Jacket series is the lack of patience for the Leafs (see Keefe outting JT and Matthews on the some line); a complete inability to get into the slot (see size up front, and where the Jackets were scoring, and just how good that 4th line was in the last 3 games), and not using the point nearly enough (so much play seemed to be below the hash marks), then just stopped skating with a 3-0 lead and Keefe (for me), was just flat out out coached. Defensively..... they actually weren't that bad. Except for Ceci.

                        I for one see a blueline still developing. When your in win now mode that's a conumdrum for sure - but I just don't think it's the one to necessitate moving one of the big 4.

                        Moving AJ clears enough cap space to hit the UFA market for a short term solutuon that can fit a bill - Gudas or Hamonic for example. It's too strong a UFA class for D for them to see a pay raise, and with a flat cap may see a haircut. This move isn't about playijg big minutes, but the right minutes. When up by 1 with 5 to play, leaning on Muzzin and Gudas with a side of Holl sounds way better than what the Leafs had this year......

                        With ALL this said, the only deal that makes sense IF Nylander is on the table is the Arizona deal. Demers IS that short term solutuon and Garland is a great replacement for Nylander in the top 6.

                        I just think there are other solutions.
                        Aug. 18, 2020 at 1:27 p.m.
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                        Quoting: Alfie11
                        If it was Nylander+Holl for Anderson+Savard what would need to be added in your opinion? I feel like that's decently close, and gives CBJ some more high end talent up front (they only played 70 games, but nobody on Columbus topped 50 points). I like Bjork, PLD, and Atkinson but Nylander would certainly make them more threatening on offense.


                        2nd maybe.... but also for. The Toronto stand point. They don’t make this trade unless Savard comes with an extension. They’d also want to get Anderson for at least 3 years in the trade too.
                        Aug. 18, 2020 at 1:34 p.m.
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                        Edmonton: I can see a package around Larsson for Nylander if you’re set on a RD. Some talk of a possible Nurse+ for Nylander+ has been swirling as well
                        Aug. 18, 2020 at 1:36 p.m.
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                        Half of these are bad, Islanders could be an interesting choice as Pulock for Nylander would be a good 1 for 1 for both sides. But still

                        There are better trades for him to be had, for instance

                        1. NJ sends (Foote + Severson + their last 1st) Toronto sends (Nylander)
                        2. Nashville sends (Arvidsson +Fabbro+ 2nd) Toronto sends (Nylander)
                        Aug. 18, 2020 at 1:39 p.m.
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                        A lot of effort for a lot of bad trades
                        Aug. 18, 2020 at 1:51 p.m.
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                        Petry half retained extended and Domi for Nylander? I think MTL needs to add more but what do you think
                        Aug. 18, 2020 at 3:26 p.m.
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                        Quoting: truculence67
                        Thank you for this post. Personally I’m of the opinion though that trading Nylander for a lesser d man plus peripheral assets would be a huge mistake (I.e. Manson, severson, savard). If dubas can’t land a true top pair RHD for nylander (or Nylander plus picks/prospects), and has to trade him, I’d rather Toronto fetch a package of blue chip picks/prospects and then go out and sign a UFa

                        This is probably decent, the problem is most of the RHD UFAs (other than Pietrangelo) are 2nd pair guys. That could work because Rielly is good enough to carry a 2nd pair quality guy, and Muzzin-Holl isn't a bad 2nd pair, but Sandin-whoever (Dermott, Lehtonen, Liljegren) is gonna be a weak 3rd pair because you either have 2 rookies, or a rookie and a guy playing their wrong side. Ideally I think for depth purposes getting two 2nd pair guys (one to play with Rielly, one to mentor Sandin on a short-term deal but move up with Muzzin in important situations) would be the play here, but you might need to dump more cap than just Nylander to accomplish that, and find some forward depth steals in free agency as well. Dermott would be gone as well if you sign 2 RHDs, there's just no room for him with Sandin and Lehtonen in the mix. I think this would be the best possible outcome, to sign say Hamonic to 6 years, and Gudas for two or three, run Rielly-Hamonic Muzzin-Holl Sandin-Gudas Lehtonen year 1, Rielly-Hamonic Muzzin-Gudas Sandin-Liljegren year 2, then when Rielly is UFA evaluate if Sandin-Liljegren can be your top pair, and Muzzin-Hamonic becomes the 2nd pair if Rielly walks, which by then will hopefully be just as good of a top 4. Or you re-sign Rielly and have Rielly-Hamonic/Sandin-Liljegren as your top 4 with Muzzin relegated to the 3rd pair for his last two years (or trade bait).
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                        I understand. The thing is, if all they can get for Nylander is a Manson or Savard, then I’d rather just keep him & cap dump Marner to sign Pietrangelo.

                        Fair take. I just don't see Pietrangelo leaving St. Louis. And you would have to have a Piet contract in hand before you look at dealing Marner, but also deal Marner before you sign him, or you're way too far over the cap and might get left to dry by other teams (yes you can be over the cap in the "summer," but you have to be compliant by season start and if the Leafs go all in on Piet before dealing Marner the other teams might hold out for a lower price, and/or just to hamstring the Leafs with non-compliance penalties). I think this is too intricate a scenario to end up happening unfortunately, even if it would really help the team.
                        Quoting: swinny
                        The real issue in dealing Nylander is found in truky assessing what is already on the RD for the Leafs.

                        I love Holl's game. He has and can play 18-20 minutes a game and look highly effective doing it. He may not be a flashy name, but is game is simple and economical. Is he a top 4 D? That is hard to answer as there just isn't a large enough body of work to answer it, but, if his play in the last half of the season is an indication, the answer is quite possibly.

                        Dermott seems to be developing into a bit of a two-wat defender. His development was undoubtedly hindered by the injury that kept him out of the lineup for the better part of the first half. Having said that, he didn't look bad playing those 18-20 minutes a night when Muzzin and Reilly were out. He is still young with upside. The obvious drawback is that he is a left shot.

                        Sandin looks sooooo good. Where he says he has experience playing RD, is that where you want to put him during this key development time? No way playing big minutes should be thought about right now, so I slot him as the left side of the bottom pairing.

                        This new guy Lehtonen seems to have to ability to move the puck very well. But can her defend? I don't know enough about him to begin to cast a guess. On a one year deal...... does it matter? Was he a placeholder for Liligren or sign for better depth?

                        And Liligren.... he is going to be good. But for me he isn't ready. One more year with the Marlies, and it's game on. He is developing into a sound defender - with not as much offensive game as once hoped. But he can defend.

                        Overall I look at the situation, and it's not bad. What became so clear in the Jacket series is the lack of patience for the Leafs (see Keefe outting JT and Matthews on the some line); a complete inability to get into the slot (see size up front, and where the Jackets were scoring, and just how good that 4th line was in the last 3 games), and not using the point nearly enough (so much play seemed to be below the hash marks), then just stopped skating with a 3-0 lead and Keefe (for me), was just flat out out coached. Defensively..... they actually weren't that bad. Except for Ceci.

                        I for one see a blueline still developing. When your in win now mode that's a conumdrum for sure - but I just don't think it's the one to necessitate moving one of the big 4.

                        Moving AJ clears enough cap space to hit the UFA market for a short term solutuon that can fit a bill - Gudas or Hamonic for example. It's too strong a UFA class for D for them to see a pay raise, and with a flat cap may see a haircut. This move isn't about playijg big minutes, but the right minutes. When up by 1 with 5 to play, leaning on Muzzin and Gudas with a side of Holl sounds way better than what the Leafs had this year......

                        With ALL this said, the only deal that makes sense IF Nylander is on the table is the Arizona deal. Demers IS that short term solutuon and Garland is a great replacement for Nylander in the top 6.

                        I just think there are other solutions.

                        I agree with your individual takes on the defensemen, but here's my view on Holl: I think he's okay with Muzzin and that's an okay second pair, but on his own he's not a top 4 dman, he needs that reliable partner on the other side. It's fine that he's getting carried if he's capable of completing the pair and not looking terrible, but without Muzzin he's a 3rd pair guy at best imo. Sounds like Lehtonen's gonna be 3RD, PP2 if nothing changes. I agree Liljegren probably doesn't make the team out of camp, maybe he earns some time halfway through the year, and is full time in 2021? Don't want to rush him. Arizona deal could be on the table, they need a PR win after the Chayka situation and might be willing to give up Garland. Demers is probably on the table anyway with just 1 year to go, and that might work for the Leafs, easing Liljegren in as well. It's gonna be a tricky situation for Dubas to manage for sure, but it is fun to try and work out possible deals on here, as long as they aren't too unrealistic lol.
                        Quoting: Admiral_Salty
                        Edmonton: I can see a package around Larsson for Nylander if you’re set on a RD. Some talk of a possible Nurse+ for Nylander+ has been swirling as well

                        With Muzzin, Sandin, and Rielly on the left there isn't really a fit for Nurse imo. Larsson is worth significantly less than Nylander, if they were going that route it would probably involve Pulju or a 1st, plus another minor asset going to Toronto.
                        Quoting: aadoyle
                        Half of these are bad, Islanders could be an interesting choice as Pulock for Nylander would be a good 1 for 1 for both sides. But still

                        There are better trades for him to be had, for instance

                        1. NJ sends (Foote + Severson + their last 1st) Toronto sends (Nylander)
                        2. Nashville sends (Arvidsson +Fabbro+ 2nd) Toronto sends (Nylander)

                        Pulock only works if NYI feels Dobson is ready for a top 4 role imo. I know he's going to be really good, I just don't know if that'll happen next year. That New Jersey trade is drastically underselling Severson's value imo, he's actually been pretty good and he's signed for 3 more years at a reasonable price. They wouldn't add both Foote and a 1st, maybe one of those. The Nashville deal looks better, the pick might be a little high but Arvi would find a home and Fabbro should develop into a decent player, him and Liljegren on the right side long term would be pretty dependable.
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                        A lot of effort for a lot of bad trades

                        Thank you for completely missing the point and not contributing anything. Feel free to leave.
                        Quoting: MaxDomi13
                        Petry half retained extended and Domi for Nylander? I think MTL needs to add more but what do you think

                        Interesting, is Petry available? I was under the impression Montreal wanted to keep him but he'd definitely be a target if available. Also are they looking for more wingers? That deal kinda depends on how much Domi signs for, and Petry half-retained is definitely needed here. I don't know if they would bank on keeping Petry, he might be too expensive/ask for too much term for a 33 year old, but Nylander is a lot to give up for a rental. Montreal might have to add a sweetener due to Domi's off year. An interesting trade idea, I woulda said this made a lot of sense before this playoffs but I'm less sure now, I think Montreal might think they're contenders now and go for the playoffs next year lol
                        Aug. 19, 2020 at 9:00 a.m.
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                        Quoting: aadoyle
                        Half of these are bad, Islanders could be an interesting choice as Pulock for Nylander would be a good 1 for 1 for both sides. But still

                        There are better trades for him to be had, for instance

                        1. NJ sends (Foote + Severson + their last 1st) Toronto sends (Nylander)
                        2. Nashville sends (Arvidsson +Fabbro+ 2nd) Toronto sends (Nylander)


                        Love that Nashville trade for toronto, don't know if preds would take it though
                        Aug. 19, 2020 at 11:46 a.m.
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                        Quoting: truculence67
                        Love that Nashville trade for toronto, don't know if preds would take it though


                        the nashville trade is fine but comes with risks as Ellis is 30 and Nylander is 24. Defenseman usually slow down after the age of 30 with a few exceptions so we could see a drop in production or defensive ability from ellis in 2-3 years.
                        Aug. 19, 2020 at 4:48 p.m.
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                        Quoting: aadoyle
                        the nashville trade is fine but comes with risks as Ellis is 30 and Nylander is 24. Defenseman usually slow down after the age of 30 with a few exceptions so we could see a drop in production or defensive ability from ellis in 2-3 years.


                        No I meant Fabbro + arvidsson + a 2nd
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                        No I meant Fabbro + arvidsson + a 2nd


                        oh thanks, its a good trade for both teams. Toronto gets a young rhd, a solid RW and a high pick. Nashville gets a young rw who has history with Foresberg and could make a dangerous line. Now nashville will need to find a replacement for Fabbro but it should not be hard as anyone who is paired with Ekholm should work out well
                         
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